SENATE BILL: Efficient Automobile Rebate System Act (rejected)
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« on: December 23, 2011, 03:16:33 AM »
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« Reply #1 on: December 23, 2011, 12:00:06 PM »

According to my reading of the bill, in order to qualify for a rebate, one must own a car which gets 21 miles to the gallon, no more, no less, or an SUV which gets 18 miles to the gallon, no more, no less. What were the authors' intentions?
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« Reply #2 on: December 23, 2011, 06:54:50 PM »

No way. Way too much money and encourages the destruction of the environment by making access to polluting automobiles cheaper. My region's citizens don't want to subsidize your dirty habits.
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« Reply #3 on: December 24, 2011, 09:37:39 AM »

No way. Way too much money and encourages the destruction of the environment by making access to polluting automobiles cheaper. My region's citizens don't want to subsidize your dirty habits.

Destroys the environment? By markedly improving fuel efficiency? Following your logic we may as well just ban cars, for Christ's sake.

It should also go without saying that this program is based on the Cash for Clunkers program of the real world America circa. 2009. Aka, perhaps the most successful stimulus program we implemented.
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« Reply #4 on: December 24, 2011, 10:58:53 AM »

Yes it most certainly was successfull. We haven't been able to find a reasonably priced used car since then.

Hope the old ford holds up. Tongue
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« Reply #5 on: December 24, 2011, 02:10:41 PM »

Subsidizing automobiles for only minimal environmental benefit per dollar actually results in a net environmental loss when you consider how many people will be able to drive now that their automotive efficiency and rebate lower costs. I pushed for high speed rail and metropolitan transportation infrastructure improvements in my first term. That law has taken cars off the roads, let's not disturb that trend. Mass transit is superior to heavier traffic and more auto traveling, especially for my region, you know, the one that is the wealthiest region and decided to develop a mass transit program that works. Smiley

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« Reply #6 on: December 27, 2011, 04:57:20 PM »

We are now at a final vote. Please vote aye, nay, or abstain.
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« Reply #7 on: December 27, 2011, 05:52:40 PM »

Nay
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« Reply #8 on: December 27, 2011, 10:16:18 PM »

Aye.

Not that I expect this to pass, or be signed.
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« Reply #9 on: December 27, 2011, 11:16:10 PM »

I must vote Nay, due to my earlier question having never been answered.
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« Reply #10 on: December 28, 2011, 08:27:55 PM »

Nay
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« Reply #11 on: December 30, 2011, 03:19:31 PM »

nay
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« Reply #12 on: December 30, 2011, 03:20:48 PM »

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« Reply #13 on: December 30, 2011, 03:43:44 PM »

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« Reply #14 on: January 02, 2012, 12:28:56 AM »

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« Reply #15 on: January 02, 2012, 12:29:42 AM »

The current tally is 4-4. I believe Nathan is the remaining Senator.
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« Reply #16 on: January 02, 2012, 01:21:59 AM »

Subsidizing automobiles for only minimal environmental benefit per dollar actually results in a net environmental loss when you consider how many people will be able to drive now that their automotive efficiency and rebate lower costs. I pushed for high speed rail and metropolitan transportation infrastructure improvements in my first term. That law has taken cars off the roads, let's not disturb that trend. Mass transit is superior to heavier traffic and more auto traveling, especially for my region, you know, the one that is the wealthiest region and decided to develop a mass transit program that works. Smiley


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« Reply #17 on: January 02, 2012, 02:50:26 AM »

Ugh... I'm regretting not chiming in earlier.  I think the rebate amount should be lowered a bit and the qualifying vehicles' fuel efficiency raised a bit.  Then create a fuel efficiency CEILING for eligibility rather than a floor.

Like... a car with fuel efficiency of under 24 mpg makes you eligible for a $3000 rebate on a car with a fuel efficiency rating of 35mpg or higher.

People driving cars with fuel efficiency over 24mpg aren't the ones we should be encouraging to trade up.
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« Reply #18 on: January 02, 2012, 02:55:32 AM »

Besides the fact that this legislation is anti-envitonment with a nice wig, I really think that subsidizing more automobiles weakens the move away from car culture and hurts the mass transit programs we've invested so much in. We're not going to change our transportation habits if we promote the automobile in such a way. Atlasia has made a commitment to green energy and mass transit bolth. Let us honor it.
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« Reply #19 on: January 02, 2012, 04:41:25 AM »

Besides the fact that this legislation is anti-envitonment with a nice wig, I really think that subsidizing more automobiles weakens the move away from car culture and hurts the mass transit programs we've invested so much in. We're not going to change our transportation habits if we promote the automobile in such a way. Atlasia has made a commitment to green energy and mass transit bolth. Let us honor it.
At the same time you have to recognize that Atlasia is still a car dependent nation, and that much of it will rely on a personal transportation indefinitely.

While we should be making transit systems that are efficient and convenient while also promoting its use through planning and development... there are still places that will require cars for travel.

In such cases, car pooling, bicycles, etc. need to be promoted.. along with more fuel efficient cars.

We can't hobble ourselves into a green, car-less economy.  We have to use the transportation options that are most efficient and convenient for the given situation.
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« Reply #20 on: January 02, 2012, 10:05:39 AM »

People choosing to use cars can certainly pay a fair market value for the product, no?
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« Reply #21 on: January 03, 2012, 04:30:36 AM »

Nay.

If our hearts are set on doing something like this, we can always draft better legislation and then introduce it again.
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« Reply #22 on: January 03, 2012, 04:33:26 AM »

This has enough votes to fail. Senators have 24 hours to change their votes.
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« Reply #23 on: January 06, 2012, 03:33:52 AM »

With 4 ayes and 5 nays, this bill has been rejected.
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