Turkey freezes all ties with France: Erdoğan

[dead0man]

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Turkey's Prime Minister Tayyip Erdogan said on Thursday a bill passed by France's lower house of parliament, making it a crime to deny genocide, was racist, discriminatory and xenophobic and said it had opened wounds with Paris that would be difficult to heal.

Erdogan said Turkey was cancelling all economic, political and military meetings with NATO partner France and said Ankara would cancel permission for French military planes to land and warships to dock in Turkey as a result of the bill.

Turkey continues in the wrong direction.

[Nhoj]

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Turkey's Prime Minister Tayyip Erdogan said on Thursday a bill passed by France's lower house of parliament, making it a crime to deny genocide, was racist, discriminatory and xenophobic and said it had opened wounds with Paris that would be difficult to heal.

Erdogan said Turkey was cancelling all economic, political and military meetings with NATO partner France and said Ankara would cancel permission for French military planes to land and warships to dock in Turkey as a result of the bill.

Turkey continues in the wrong direction.

As far as direction gos, a CHP government would have done the same if it were in power If not before the bill passed.

[asexual trans victimologist]

Yeah, not seeing how any currently extant force in Turkish politics would have behaved better, honestly.

[Lief]

I'm generally pretty supportive of Erdogan ('s foreign policy at least), but the Turks really need to get over this Armenian Genocide issue.

It's insane to me that of all the countries in Europe that pursued ethnic cleansing policies in the 20th century, only the Germans seem to actually feel guilty about it. Same with countries where Fascists came to power.

[Χahar]

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Turkey's Prime Minister Tayyip Erdogan said on Thursday a bill passed by France's lower house of parliament, making it a crime to deny genocide, was racist, discriminatory and xenophobic and said it had opened wounds with Paris that would be difficult to heal.

Erdogan said Turkey was cancelling all economic, political and military meetings with NATO partner France and said Ankara would cancel permission for French military planes to land and warships to dock in Turkey as a result of the bill.

Turkey continues in the wrong direction.

Continues? Turkey hasn't had a better leader than Erdoğan since Menderes at least.

[Ebowed]

So France's law is racist, but Turkey's treatment of journalists who acknowledge the Armenian Genocide is not.  Interesting.

[Jacobtm]

Turkey should learn from the United States.

We didn't get upset about France's new law, despite the genocide perpetrated against Native Americans. Just act like you don't even remember it happened, and move on.

[Foucaulf]

Given the US-Turkey row over the recognition of the Armenian Genocide a year ago, the Majority is either mentally challenged or purposefully stoking controversy. By all means should it be the latter.

Seeing the boost in popularity derived from the Libya invasion and the Burqa ban, Sarkozy is riling up the Middle East. It makes him look better, and Turkey's EU accession is all but dead at this point. More importantly it also undercuts what little foreign policy the PS has; what kind of opposition is it if the PS vote in favour of government policy?

[Californian Tony]

Disgusting, and further proof that the so-called "Turkish model" is nothing but marketing.

I can't believe I'm saying this, but I stand with Sarkozy on this issue.

[Yelnoc]

Why did France pass this law?

[dead0man]

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Turkey's Prime Minister Tayyip Erdogan said on Thursday a bill passed by France's lower house of parliament, making it a crime to deny genocide, was racist, discriminatory and xenophobic and said it had opened wounds with Paris that would be difficult to heal.

Erdogan said Turkey was cancelling all economic, political and military meetings with NATO partner France and said Ankara would cancel permission for French military planes to land and warships to dock in Turkey as a result of the bill.

Turkey continues in the wrong direction.

Continues? Turkey hasn't had a better leader than Erdoğan since Menderes at least.

Yes continues.  Just because you're not paying attention or willfully ignoring what you don't want to see (or maybe even agreeing with it) doesn't mean it's not happening.  I could point you to dozens of links, but really, what would be the point?

[Mynheer Peeperkorn von Thurn und Taxis-Hohenlohe]

Why did France pass this law?

Because they believe that they are the moral authority of the universe.

Obviously not a word about the genocide in Libya, where they killed thousands for their oil companies.

[danny]

Why did France pass this law?

Because they believe that they are the moral authority of the universe.

Obviously not a word about the genocide in Libya, where they killed thousands for their oil companies.

You obviously don't know the meaning of the word genocide.
Hint: it's related to the word gene.

[ingemann]

Why did France pass this law?

For the same reason USA keep licking the balls of Israel. Armenians are a small but significant minority (primary middle to upper class) in France with a very strong lobby. Turks on the other hand is a much less political important minority (even through it's bigger) especially for the right.

Plus when you have already criminalised Holocaust denial, it's a rather small step to include the denial of other genocides. When we mix that with a rather bad relationship between France and Turkey as a result of French and Turkish interest in the Middle East crashing (an example was the Libyan War), there's little reason for France not to give Turkey the finger.

[Mynheer Peeperkorn von Thurn und Taxis-Hohenlohe]

Why did France pass this law?

Because they believe that they are the moral authority of the universe.

Obviously not a word about the genocide in Libya, where they killed thousands for their oil companies.

You obviously don't know the meaning of the word genocide.
Hint: it's related to the word gene.

Do you know that Uruguayan Jews tried everything to stop a parliamentary recognition of Armenian Genocide because they thought that it was an insult for "la colectividad"?

Anyway, Uruguay was the first country in the World to recognize the Armenian Holocaust.

http://news.am/eng/news/56795.html

[danny]

Why did France pass this law?

Because they believe that they are the moral authority of the universe.

Obviously not a word about the genocide in Libya, where they killed thousands for their oil companies.

You obviously don't know the meaning of the word genocide.
Hint: it's related to the word gene.

Do you know that Uruguayan Jews tried everything to stop a parliamentary recognition of Armenian Genocide because they thought that it was an insult for "la colectividad"?

Anyway, Uruguay was the first country in the World to recognize the Armenian Holocaust.

http://news.am/eng/news/56795.html

I wasn't contesting the fact that there was a genocide against the Armenians, I think there was.

But there wasn't any done by France against Libya, not every time there is a war it becomes a genocide.

And I don't see how you responded to that at all.

[Mynheer Peeperkorn von Thurn und Taxis-Hohenlohe]

Why did France pass this law?

Because they believe that they are the moral authority of the universe.

Obviously not a word about the genocide in Libya, where they killed thousands for their oil companies.

You obviously don't know the meaning of the word genocide.
Hint: it's related to the word gene.

Do you know that Uruguayan Jews tried everything to stop a parliamentary recognition of Armenian Genocide because they thought that it was an insult for "la colectividad"?

Anyway, Uruguay was the first country in the World to recognize the Armenian Holocaust.

http://news.am/eng/news/56795.html

I wasn't contesting the fact that there was a genocide against the Armenians, I think there was.

But there wasn't any done by France against Libya, not every time there is a war it becomes a genocide.

And I don't see how you responded to that at all.

You're right, maybe "french massacre of Libyans" is a better description.

My answer came because I thought you were implying that I wasn't recognizing the Armenian Holocaust.

[Californian Tony]

Why did France pass this law?

Because they believe that they are the moral authority of the universe.

Obviously not a word about the genocide in Libya, where they killed thousands for their oil companies.

You obviously don't know the meaning of the word genocide.
Hint: it's related to the word gene.

Do you know that Uruguayan Jews tried everything to stop a parliamentary recognition of Armenian Genocide because they thought that it was an insult for "la colectividad"?

Anyway, Uruguay was the first country in the World to recognize the Armenian Holocaust.

http://news.am/eng/news/56795.html

I wasn't contesting the fact that there was a genocide against the Armenians, I think there was.

But there wasn't any done by France against Libya, not every time there is a war it becomes a genocide.

And I don't see how you responded to that at all.

You're right, maybe "french massacre of Libyans" is a better description.

My answer came because I thought you were implying that I wasn't recognizing the Armenian Holocaust.

You still make no sense.

[Landslide Lyndon]

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Turkey's Prime Minister Tayyip Erdogan said on Thursday a bill passed by France's lower house of parliament, making it a crime to deny genocide, was racist, discriminatory and xenophobic and said it had opened wounds with Paris that would be difficult to heal.

Erdogan said Turkey was cancelling all economic, political and military meetings with NATO partner France and said Ankara would cancel permission for French military planes to land and warships to dock in Turkey as a result of the bill.

Turkey continues in the wrong direction.

Continues? Turkey hasn't had a better leader than Erdoğan since Menderes at least.

Yes continues.  Just because you're not paying attention or willfully ignoring what you don't want to see (or maybe even agreeing with it) doesn't mean it's not happening.  I could point you to dozens of links, but really, what would be the point?

Frankly, I don't understand what you're talking about. Xahar is right that Erdogan is the best leader Turkey ever had, possibly since Ataturk. He took a bankrupt stratocracy and transformed it to what at least resembles to a functioning western republic.

The fact that you don't like his U-turn on foreign policy and his decision to take Turkey away from its traditional Euro-Atlantic orientation and towards a more Middle-Eastern dominated one, doesn't make him a bad person, nor means his country is going backwards.   

[dead0man]

It just seems to me that this isn't going to end well for the people of Turkey and it's not going to do any favors for us in the West.  Perhaps I wanted to read a bit more into Xahar's post than was actually there, my apologies.

[asexual trans victimologist]

Turkey's foreign policy in this particular area isn't doing anybody any favors, no, but the bizarre racism of Turkish policy towards its own history really is nothing new.

[Landslide Lyndon]

Turkey's foreign policy in this particular area isn't doing anybody any favors, no, but the bizarre racism of Turkish policy towards its own history really is nothing new.

They are just following Ataturk's dogma. He attributed the demise of the Ottoman Empire to its multiculturalism, so he decided that it was essential for Turkey's survival to create a homogenous state, without minorities and ethnic groups.
Hence the continued suppression and persecution of Kurds, Greeks and Armenians ever since.
 

[Zarn]

Everyone has the right to deny things. Come on now. What's France going to do? Bring Turkey to a trial?

Turkey and other nations that have the capability of not being completely stupid (ie Japan) need to keep their heads on straight, too.

[Mynheer Peeperkorn von Thurn und Taxis-Hohenlohe]

Why did France pass this law?

Because they believe that they are the moral authority of the universe.

Obviously not a word about the genocide in Libya, where they killed thousands for their oil companies.

You obviously don't know the meaning of the word genocide.
Hint: it's related to the word gene.

Do you know that Uruguayan Jews tried everything to stop a parliamentary recognition of Armenian Genocide because they thought that it was an insult for "la colectividad"?

Anyway, Uruguay was the first country in the World to recognize the Armenian Holocaust.

http://news.am/eng/news/56795.html

I wasn't contesting the fact that there was a genocide against the Armenians, I think there was.

But there wasn't any done by France against Libya, not every time there is a war it becomes a genocide.

And I don't see how you responded to that at all.

You're right, maybe "french massacre of Libyans" is a better description.

My answer came because I thought you were implying that I wasn't recognizing the Armenian Holocaust.

You still make no sense.

Why? Because you supported that massacre since the first day?

[Californian Tony]

Why did France pass this law?

Because they believe that they are the moral authority of the universe.

Obviously not a word about the genocide in Libya, where they killed thousands for their oil companies.

You obviously don't know the meaning of the word genocide.
Hint: it's related to the word gene.

Do you know that Uruguayan Jews tried everything to stop a parliamentary recognition of Armenian Genocide because they thought that it was an insult for "la colectividad"?

Anyway, Uruguay was the first country in the World to recognize the Armenian Holocaust.

http://news.am/eng/news/56795.html

I wasn't contesting the fact that there was a genocide against the Armenians, I think there was.

But there wasn't any done by France against Libya, not every time there is a war it becomes a genocide.

And I don't see how you responded to that at all.

You're right, maybe "french massacre of Libyans" is a better description.

My answer came because I thought you were implying that I wasn't recognizing the Armenian Holocaust.

You still make no sense.

Why? Because you supported that massacre since the first day?

Words have a damn meaning. Calling "massacre" everything you don't like certainly doesn't help building a sound, ethic and effective foreign policy program (but that's probably not what you want anyways).