Billions Needed to Upgrade Nation's Water & Sewage Systems

[Frodo]

Sound like a familiar problem where you live?
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Billions needed to upgrade America’s leaky water infrastructure

By Ashley Halsey III, Updated: Monday, January 2, 6:40 PM

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[Jacobtm]

Billions Needed to Upgrade Nation's Yachts and Gold Toilets.

Who can say which is the right thing? Just a judgement call.

[○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└]

I imagine that Iowa needs to upgrade their sewers, they have a real santorum surge.

[Frodo]

I can see no one here regards this as a serious problem...     

[Marokai Backbeat]

I can see no one here regards this as a serious problem...     

I think most people here recognize how terrible our infrastructure is, but our politics has devolved so seriously to the point that the word "infrastructure" may as well be synonymous with "Communism."

[memphis]

The American style is to move, not to repair.

[Bleeding heart conservative, HTMLdon]

I can see no one here regards this as a serious problem...     

I do, I'm sure we can patch it up with some tax cuts

(cue our libertarian friends to note that we could always privatize our water and sewage systems)

[Meeker]

Needed infrastructure repairs we'll have to do eventually + high unemployment rate in the building and construction industry = No brainer what should be done here

Unfortunately though we have lunatics running half of Congress so instead America will continue to decline and suffer.

[Lief 🗽]

If only the markets were literally willing to pay us to borrow money to pay for this and we had millions of unemployed people to do it. OH WELL

[Free Palestine]

So what?  Rich people don't need toilets, as nobody rich has an anus.

[Хahar 🤔]

No matter what you're told, we have to clean the mold!

[Simfan34]

Just another day in the decline of America...

[greenforest32]

Needed infrastructure repairs we'll have to do eventually + high unemployment rate in the building and construction industry = No brainer what should be done here

Unfortunately though we have lunatics running half of Congress so instead America will continue to decline and suffer.

If only the markets were literally willing to pay us to borrow money to pay for this and we had millions of unemployed people to do it. OH WELL

[krazen1211]

It's really funny, then, how we spent billions of dollars on excess teachers and Medicaid instead.

[SmugDealer]

It's really funny, then, how we spent billions of dollars on excess teachers and Medicaid instead.

Do you think that Education and Medical care is a waste of money, wheras sewers and roads aren't?

These are all important parts of a society. Or do you favor letting people go uneducated and sick to fund sewers and roads?

[krazen1211]

It's really funny, then, how we spent billions of dollars on excess teachers and Medicaid instead.

Do you think that Education and Medical care is a waste of money, wheras sewers and roads aren't?

These are all important parts of a society. Or do you favor letting people go uneducated and sick to fund sewers and roads?

What a dubious and silly theory. We didn't, uh, let people go uneducated 10/20/30/40 years ago when this country had hundreds of thousands of fewer teachers and much higher classroom sizes than it does today. When Nixon was President we only had about 2 million teachers rather than 3.5 million.

Medicaid of course spent far less than it does today as well. Naturally when money is finite, things like infrastructure will get gutted.

Dishonest liberals will gut infrastructure and then whine that infrastructure is getting gutted. That's precisely what happened in New  Jersey and why our tolls went up about 40%.

[Okay, maybe Mike Johnson is a competent parliamentarian.]

Krazen seems to have the same view of teachers, of all professions, that normal people have of bilge rats, or Republicans from the Jersey suburbs.

[SmugDealer]

It's really funny, then, how we spent billions of dollars on excess teachers and Medicaid instead.

Do you think that Education and Medical care is a waste of money, wheras sewers and roads aren't?

These are all important parts of a society. Or do you favor letting people go uneducated and sick to fund sewers and roads?

What a dubious and silly theory. We didn't, uh, let people go uneducated 10/20/30/40 years ago when this country had hundreds of thousands of fewer teachers and much higher classroom sizes than it does today. When Nixon was President we only had about 2 million teachers rather than 3.5 million.

As our population grows, we need more teachers to teach more students. And students that go to schools with smaller class sizes do better, so more teachers can lead to higher achievement. Especially with the USA falling behind the rest of the developed world, it's important to keep Education well funded.

[krazen1211]

It's really funny, then, how we spent billions of dollars on excess teachers and Medicaid instead.

Do you think that Education and Medical care is a waste of money, wheras sewers and roads aren't?

These are all important parts of a society. Or do you favor letting people go uneducated and sick to fund sewers and roads?

What a dubious and silly theory. We didn't, uh, let people go uneducated 10/20/30/40 years ago when this country had hundreds of thousands of fewer teachers and much higher classroom sizes than it does today. When Nixon was President we only had about 2 million teachers rather than 3.5 million.

As our population grows, we need more teachers to teach more students. And students that go to schools with smaller class sizes do better, so more teachers can lead to higher achievement. Especially with the USA falling behind the rest of the developed world, it's important to keep Education well funded.

Those aren't theories backed up by facts. They are lies created by the teachers unions that are incredibly easy to debunk.

High school graduation rates of course peaked when Barack Obama was a child, and the US had about 22 kids per teacher rather than the 14 it does today.

[Okay, maybe Mike Johnson is a competent parliamentarian.]

There were also different things being taught to a different population with different technology and pedagogical assumptions when Barack Obama was a child.

[Хahar 🤔]

Krazen seems to have the same view of teachers, of all professions, that normal people have of bilge rats, or Republicans from the Jersey suburbs.

Remember that he quite literally measures teacher effectiveness by productivity, where the most productive teachers are the ones that teach the most students at once.

[krazen1211]

There were also different things being taught to a different population with different technology and pedagogical assumptions when Barack Obama was a child.

Typically, technology reduces the cost of labor. It must be nice to be in one of the few industries where, allegedly, the opposite is true and one can artificially increase labor demand with, uh, assumptions.

[krazen1211]

Krazen seems to have the same view of teachers, of all professions, that normal people have of bilge rats, or Republicans from the Jersey suburbs.

Remember that he quite literally measures teacher effectiveness by productivity, where the most productive teachers are the ones that teach the most students at once.

Not only that. You forgot to mention the apples to apples comparison of standardized testing scores. Obama's department of education has conceded little to no increase in scale scoring despite legions of additional educational staff and billions of additional educational dollars being allocated to the task.

[Okay, maybe Mike Johnson is a competent parliamentarian.]

There were also different things being taught to a different population with different technology and pedagogical assumptions when Barack Obama was a child.

Typically, technology reduces the cost of labor. It must be nice to be in one of the few industries where, allegedly, the opposite is true and one can artificially increase labor demand with, uh, assumptions.

The children also have to be taught more things. It must be nice to have one of the few outlooks on the world where, allegedly, technology simplifies the job of rearing or educating the young.

[Ban my account ffs!]

My city has been doing sewer replacement to coincide with street rebuilding for much of the last decade... and very little of the local water/sewer lines are more than 30 years old now.

In summer 2008 they completely rebuilt one of the main streets under which the pipes were some 80 years old.  Now they're nice and new and will last another 80 years.

Medicaid and teacher funding has nothing to do with this.  It is simply a matter of it being prohibitively expensive to replace sewers and water lines in large cities that have no tax base and a mess of pipes and sewer lines running underneath the streets along with electric, telephone, fiber optic, and other random tunnels or subways.

These projects should not be paid for out of pocket.  Bonds should be sold and tax dollars should pay for these projects over a long period of time... since the period of benefit is also a very long time.  Why should this generation be solely responsible for the sewer and water lines that will last a century or more?

Start borrowing and building!