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« Reply #600 on: June 26, 2012, 10:26:41 AM »

Excuse me again for interrupting, but isn't McKay of the old Progressive Conservative guard? It seems that the Reformers still control the Conservative Party.

The Alliance wing has always controlled the party. What Harper's done is bleed MacKay out politically- letting him twist in the wind through all these scandals without defending him.
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« Reply #601 on: June 26, 2012, 10:54:41 AM »

Excuse me again for interrupting, but isn't McKay of the old Progressive Conservative guard? It seems that the Reformers still control the Conservative Party.

The Alliance wing has always controlled the party. What Harper's done is bleed MacKay out politically- letting him twist in the wind through all these scandals without defending him.

Do you consider yourself PC or Alliance?

Were I Canadian, I would likely be a Harperite. I don't know much about as PM, but he seems to be an honorable man
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« Reply #602 on: June 26, 2012, 03:56:16 PM »

In other news, Brazeau has managed to a) set a truancy record in Senate attendance b) call Jen Ditchburn a biotch on Twitter for writing an article on his absenteeism. Ugh.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/despite-gig-for-life-37-year-old-tory-skips-25-of-senate-sittings/article4371734/?cmpid=rss1

http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2012/06/26/senator-patrick-brazeau-h_n_1628551.html
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« Reply #603 on: June 26, 2012, 08:39:24 PM »
« Edited: June 26, 2012, 08:54:33 PM by Mideast Assemblyman RogueBeaver »

I'm curious as to Hash's opinion on the ad.

http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/canada/ad-showing-pot-banging-pq-leader-marois-prompts-legal-threat-160407915.html


LOL.

http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/politics/article/1217014--robocalls-ndp-mp-pat-martin-to-spend-summer-fundraising-for-defamation-defence?bn=1
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« Reply #604 on: June 26, 2012, 08:55:51 PM »


Why me in particular?

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« Reply #605 on: June 26, 2012, 08:59:00 PM »


Because you always have a bon mot for everyone. Tongue

My opinion is that she looks rather silly. Not quite Harper at the '05 Stampede or Martin toe-dipping but getting there.
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« Reply #606 on: June 26, 2012, 08:59:21 PM »

I suppose I'm the one who wanted, as a Quebecer.

I think it will useless. People are already polarised on that issue and Marois position is well-known.
It will change nothing.
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« Reply #607 on: June 26, 2012, 09:59:13 PM »

I think the best plan for the NDP re: the Senate is to hold a national referendum on it. If Canadians want the status quo, then we start appointing Senators. If not, than we have a mandate to open up constitutional talks.
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« Reply #608 on: June 26, 2012, 10:03:33 PM »

Were I Canadian, I would likely be a Harperite. I don't know much about as PM, but he seems to be an honorable man

No politician is honorable, MasterSanders, though I too would certainly vote Conservative in federal elections were I Canadian. Or, in fact, whichever party had a greater chance of defeating the NDP in my district -- there's nothing wrong with voting Liberal, and while the BQ is just as distasteful as the NDP, there aren't as many of them.

The Wildrose Alliance strikes me as a great party, though -- rather closer to my beliefs than the American Republicans, though it has its problems, too.
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« Reply #609 on: June 26, 2012, 10:14:58 PM »

Hatman: Reopen the constitutional wars? Seriously?

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« Reply #610 on: June 26, 2012, 10:26:57 PM »

Hatman: Reopen the constitutional wars? Seriously?



Well, someone will have to open them someday. I don't think than a unelected upper house should still be there in 2200.
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« Reply #611 on: June 26, 2012, 11:32:18 PM »

If the voters want the Senate abolished, than that is definitely a mandate to open constitutional talks, so yes. However, 50%+1 might not seem like enough, as it might need to pass in 7 provinces as well. (Possible though, as there are only 3 Maritime provinces- Nfld isn't as over represented as the Maritimes)
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« Reply #612 on: June 29, 2012, 05:54:01 PM »

Hear hear.

http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/article/1219397--hebert-covering-cdnpoli-without-the-language-divide
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« Reply #613 on: July 01, 2012, 02:13:31 PM »

Happy Canada Day, guys, from America!
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« Reply #614 on: July 01, 2012, 02:29:29 PM »

EKOS pegs the Tories slightly behind the Dippers.

http://www.ipolitics.ca/2012/07/01/harpers-conservatives-slide-behind-ndp-in-national-poll/
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« Reply #615 on: July 01, 2012, 08:58:33 PM »
« Edited: July 01, 2012, 09:02:25 PM by Smid »


Plugged the numbers into my spreadsheet to estimate some seat counts, etc. Atlantic Canada seems a bit off - 7.7% of voters didn't register a response against any of the four parties listed, so that may have scrambled the numbers there a little. Obviously just estimates and so on, but seems a bit more reasonable than the poll released last week.

Overall
Tories      116 ( -48 )
Grits        49   ( +15 )
Dippers   124 ( +22 )
Bloc         15   ( +11 )
Greens    1     ( - )

Atlantic Canada
Tories      13 ( -1 )
Grits         4 ( -8 )
Dippers    15 ( +9 )
Greens     0

Quebec
Tories       4 ( -1 )
Grits         10 ( +3 )
Dippers    46 ( -13 )
Bloc          15 ( +11 )

Ontario
Tories       47 ( -26 )
Grits         29 ( +18 )
Dippers    30 ( +8 )

Central Prairies
Tories      15 ( -9 )
Grits         2 ( - )
Dippers    11 ( +9 )

Alberta
Tories      27 ( - )
Dippers    1 ( - )

British Columbia
Tories      10 ( -11 )
Grits         4 ( +2 )
Dippers    21 ( +9 )
Greens     1 ( - )
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« Reply #616 on: July 01, 2012, 09:09:55 PM »

Roughly as expected. Now we await the Cabinet shuffle.
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« Reply #617 on: July 03, 2012, 01:33:59 AM »

I would just like to comment that Trudeau looks a bit like an older Zac Efron imo....and we all know how important good looks are in politics nowadays....
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« Reply #618 on: July 03, 2012, 01:46:08 AM »

I would just like to comment that Trudeau looks a bit like an older Zac Efron imo....and we all know how important good looks are in politics nowadays....

Justin or Pierre?
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« Reply #619 on: July 03, 2012, 02:13:22 AM »

I would just like to comment that Trudeau looks a bit like an older Zac Efron imo....and we all know how important good looks are in politics nowadays....

Justin or Pierre?

The former.
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« Reply #620 on: July 03, 2012, 03:55:33 AM »

I know little about Canadian Politics. One question, is the Liberal Party socially and fiscally liberal, or is it one of those "liberal" parties which aren't really fiscally right wing, like they would have been at the start of the 20th century.
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« Reply #621 on: July 03, 2012, 05:29:27 AM »

I know little about Canadian Politics. One question, is the Liberal Party socially and fiscally liberal, or is it one of those "liberal" parties which aren't really fiscally right wing, like they would have been at the start of the 20th century.

Depends of their leaders of their mood. Last year, they managed to attack the NDP from the left and the Conservatives from the right on economy in the same week.

On average, it's near the center, through.
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« Reply #622 on: July 03, 2012, 06:26:51 AM »

I know little about Canadian Politics. One question, is the Liberal Party socially and fiscally liberal, or is it one of those "liberal" parties which aren't really fiscally right wing, like they would have been at the start of the 20th century.

Depends of their leaders of their mood.

And also the mood of voters. And region.
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« Reply #623 on: July 03, 2012, 07:31:45 AM »

The Liberals lack a coherent ideology. They are what you want them to be.

The party started as being pro-free trade, pro business etc, pro immigration, pro US then some wars came along, and they became pro-welfare state (one wonders if they would have gone that direction without pressure from the CCF/NDP). During the Trudeau years, the party was quite socially liberal, even to the left of the NDP, and were economically left of centre as well. By the free trade election of 1988, they had done a 180 on their platform of 100 years ago. Then came the recession of the early 1990s, and the party was forced to the right economically, and that's where they were the last time they were in power.
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« Reply #624 on: July 03, 2012, 09:06:42 AM »

The Liberals lack a coherent ideology. They are what you want them to be.

The party started as being pro-free trade, pro business etc, pro immigration, pro US then some wars came along, and they became pro-welfare state (one wonders if they would have gone that direction without pressure from the CCF/NDP). During the Trudeau years, the party was quite socially liberal, even to the left of the NDP, and were economically left of centre as well. By the free trade election of 1988, they had done a 180 on their platform of 100 years ago. Then came the recession of the early 1990s, and the party was forced to the right economically, and that's where they were the last time they were in power.

That's just what Liberal parties do...
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