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« Reply #625 on: July 03, 2012, 11:34:18 AM »

Supremes will hear the Etobicoke Centre case in a week. If they order a by-election the Liberals get that seat back.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/inside-politics-blog/2012/07/supreme-court-watch-mark-your-calendars-etobicoke-centre-denizens.html
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« Reply #626 on: July 03, 2012, 12:27:12 PM »

Bev Oda is resigning from Parliament at month's end. Before anyone asks about the by-election, Durham is a rock-solid Tory seat. And good riddance to her.

 http://news.nationalpost.com/2012/07/03/minister-bev-oda-to-resign-from-post/
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« Reply #627 on: July 03, 2012, 02:17:35 PM »

Hey, the NDP won in that area in 1990... Grin
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« Reply #628 on: July 03, 2012, 02:35:16 PM »

So this looks like confirmation that a shuffle is indeed pending. MacKay, Toews, Paradis and Fantino are all in varying degrees of trouble so let's see if Harper moves them. Chris Alexander is tipped by some Hillsters to take over Oda's ministry, unless he stays as MacKay's PS.
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« Reply #629 on: July 03, 2012, 06:35:13 PM »

Says quite a bit about Canadian politics that the scandal which broke Oda's back was her ordering a $16 glass of orange juice.

Fantino and Toews are probably the most likely to be kicked out, followed by MacKay and Paradis (only one of the four I think will stay). The thing with Chris Alexander is his perfect resume as Canada's ambassador to Afghanistan, coupled with general inoffensiveness. I keep thinking Clement will be moved around somewhere despite all insider talk to the contrary.
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« Reply #630 on: July 03, 2012, 06:46:16 PM »

If anyone stays it'll be MacKay. He deserves a demotion rather than a lateral move IMO but Harper won't do it. Toews might get that judgeship he's wanted for years, LeBel replaces Paradis. Fantino was a complete dud and was put there because Harper wanted to further weaken MacKay. Why else resurrect a position last held by the dud of duds- Pierre Sevigny? Tongue

More analysis on Oda.

http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/politics/article/1221037--analysis-bev-oda-goes-away-quietly-true-to-form-in-harper-s-ottawa

http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com/2012/07/03/john-ivison-bev-odas-downfall-rooted-in-the-kind-of-entitlement-she-was-trying-to-get-rid-of/
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« Reply #631 on: July 03, 2012, 08:30:19 PM »

The problem is than MacKay is the former and last PC leader, so firing him would send a signal which could be harmful to him.
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« Reply #632 on: July 03, 2012, 08:49:43 PM »

The problem is than MacKay is the former and last PC leader, so firing him would send a signal which could be harmful to him.

MacKay has no influence in the party. Nor do any of the Reds. Harper doesn't want to deal with the media whining so he'll move MacKay laterally. He's not a bad minister but needs a domestic portfolio. Became a creature of his department rather than running it, even before the F-35 clusterfark.
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« Reply #633 on: July 03, 2012, 09:31:26 PM »
« Edited: July 03, 2012, 09:33:40 PM by Hatman »

Ooh, another by-election.

NDP never finished higher than third here until 2011. They finished 4th in 2008. Although, as Al pointed out the seat went NDP provincially in 1990. (well, both seats the federal riding presently covers, Durham East and Durham--York)

ETA: Durham East also went NDP in 1975.
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« Reply #634 on: July 03, 2012, 11:21:28 PM »

The problem is than MacKay is the former and last PC leader, so firing him would send a signal which could be harmful to him.

MacKay has no influence in the party. Nor do any of the Reds.

Oh, I know that. I'm talking of the media which would say than Harper is trying to get rid of the PCers and than the new Conservative Party is Reform/Alliance in other clothes.
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« Reply #635 on: July 04, 2012, 04:29:48 AM »

Somehow I'm not surprised.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/insider-prompting-led-oda-to-step-down-ahead-of-cabinet-shuffle-source/article4386157/
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« Reply #636 on: July 04, 2012, 04:57:29 AM »

Bourque is reporting that Erin O'Toole will be the Tory nominee to replace Oda in Durham when the by-election is called. No link yet, on their front page.
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« Reply #637 on: July 04, 2012, 05:23:28 AM »

Too bad than they didn't chose a true conservative, but a corporate sellout.
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« Reply #638 on: July 04, 2012, 05:31:06 AM »

Heenan has also hosted PET and the Strangler, so it isn't completely blue. Tongue Besides he won't be replacing Oda as minister, just as the Member. Alexander probably gets Oda's job.
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« Reply #639 on: July 04, 2012, 05:41:46 AM »

Heenan has also hosted PET and the Strangler, so it isn't completely blue.

Oh, I know that, hence the comment. Heehan Blaikie doesn't care about the party, as long it passes laws enlarging the powers of big business. It also hosted the "commissionner" Bastarache, which cared more about Jean Charest than about truth.

Not a fan of them.

They are simply neoliberal.
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« Reply #640 on: July 04, 2012, 06:09:06 AM »

For once, I largely agree with Simpson.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/commentary/time-to-shuffle-the-deck-but-harpers-short-on-aces/article4387111/

Facepalm.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/story/2012/07/04/weston-naval-helicopter-delays.html
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« Reply #641 on: July 04, 2012, 04:28:01 PM »

Headdesk doesn't begin to describe this. Replacing dead weight with dead weight and keeping useless portfolios lying around. :mad: :mad:

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/harper-makes-slight-cabinet-shuffle/article4390615/
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« Reply #642 on: July 04, 2012, 04:29:09 PM »

Your first error was believing Harper is capable of rational and sound decisions. You've much to learn.
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« Reply #643 on: July 04, 2012, 04:45:18 PM »

Yeah he's a crap personnel manager. TBH I didn't expect anything huge in this shuffle, it goes against his MO, but replacing dead weight with dead weight... yeesh.
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« Reply #644 on: July 04, 2012, 05:02:59 PM »

Wow, much ado for nothing. Still, I would have hoped somebody who seems to have at least half of his brain cells like Chris Alexander could have gotten the CIDA portfolio instead of that blowhard moron Fantino. What a douche.

This was another example of the Conservative Party's legendary competence and showcase of its talents! Stay tuned for more!
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« Reply #645 on: July 04, 2012, 05:27:57 PM »
« Edited: July 04, 2012, 06:17:16 PM by Mideast Assemblyman RogueBeaver »

Fully agreed with you.

Ugh. Just ugh.

http://www.ottawacitizen.com/news/Mastro%2Blashes%2Bagainst%2BElections%2BCanada%2Bmedia%2Bover%2Bexpense%2Ballegations/6884206/story.html
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« Reply #646 on: July 04, 2012, 10:01:47 PM »

lol the Tories are full of a bunch of terrible MPs. Of course, they keep getting re-elected. When the NDP has a bad MP, the voters shove them under the bus. One reason I think Ryan Cleary is toast.
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« Reply #647 on: July 04, 2012, 10:23:33 PM »

The problem is that Harper doesn't like appointing new people. He'll shuffle existing ministers around but with the exceptions of Bernier and Chong all the attrition was through voluntary or involuntary retirement. I'm sure Cannon and Verner would still be in Cabinet had they won. Flaherty probably goes for one last term, Fantino will be 73 and might retire, Toews might get his judgeship.

IMO:

MacKay: Move laterally. He had become a creature of his department even pre-procurement FUBARing and like Bernier, too easily seduced by the shinies in anything remotely international. Maybe House Leader, he'd sure as hell be better than Van Loan.

Fantino: Backbench, abolish that useless post held by Sevigny (another star turned uber-dud).

Alexander: In Oda's job. Ideally in MOD but that would never happen.

Ablonczy: She's been with Harper forever and never promoted. Dunno why.

Ambrose/Finley/Leitch/Raitt: Earned Green Cards but no vacancies.

Rajotte: Too many Albertans, though ideally he'd replace Clement or Paradis.

Bernier: Out of the penalty box, somewhere domestic.


Dark horse: Ryan Leef, Yukon. Maybe a vacant PS post to start?

IMO Del Maestro and Poilievre are our Rat Pack... more like Brat Pack. Tongue


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« Reply #648 on: July 05, 2012, 02:49:14 AM »

The problem is that Harper doesn't like appointing new people. He'll shuffle existing ministers around but with the exceptions of Bernier and Chong all the attrition was through voluntary or involuntary retirement. I'm sure Cannon and Verner would still be in Cabinet had they won. Flaherty probably goes for one last term, Fantino will be 73 and might retire, Toews might get his judgeship.

IMO:

MacKay: Move laterally. He had become a creature of his department even pre-procurement FUBARing and like Bernier, too easily seduced by the shinies in anything remotely international. Maybe House Leader, he'd sure as hell be better than Van Loan.

Fantino: Backbench, abolish that useless post held by Sevigny (another star turned uber-dud).

Alexander: In Oda's job. Ideally in MOD but that would never happen.

Ablonczy: She's been with Harper forever and never promoted. Dunno why.

Ambrose/Finley/Leitch/Raitt: Earned Green Cards but no vacancies.

Rajotte: Too many Albertans, though ideally he'd replace Clement or Paradis.

Bernier: Out of the penalty box, somewhere domestic.


Dark horse: Ryan Leef, Yukon. Maybe a vacant PS post to start?

IMO Del Maestro and Poilievre are our Rat Pack... more like Brat Pack. Tongue




I like Clement.

I know little about Canadian Politics. One question, is the Liberal Party socially and fiscally liberal, or is it one of those "liberal" parties which aren't really fiscally right wing, like they would have been at the start of the 20th century.

In Alberta, the Party is more fiscally Liberal than nationally. Thats why I voted for the Albertan Liberals in the Province, and the Conservatives nationally.
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« Reply #649 on: July 05, 2012, 03:04:27 AM »

Well, links between most provincial Liberal parties and the federal one were severed years ago, too.
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