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« Reply #700 on: July 31, 2012, 06:17:13 pm »
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Good riddance.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/story/2012/07/31/pol-oda-retires.html
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« Reply #701 on: August 05, 2012, 07:42:23 pm »
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Christy Clark is DOOMED. Ditto Gateway.

http://www.angus-reid.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/2012.08.03_Politics_BC.pdf
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« Reply #702 on: August 07, 2012, 06:53:55 pm »
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It was pretty transparent that Clark's spat with Alberta over whether BC should earn revenues from the Enbridge pipeline was an attempt to gain political points, trying to balance business interests and the electorate. If she want to get elected, she ought to axe the pipeline and go from there.
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« Reply #703 on: August 07, 2012, 06:58:53 pm »
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That Place projects an Orange 2001. NDP 74, Libs 4, Indies 2, Tories 1. Dixquake incoming.
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« Reply #704 on: August 08, 2012, 09:30:46 am »
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That Place projects an Orange 2001. NDP 74, Libs 4, Indies 2, Tories 1. Dixquake incoming.

Another hilarious (yet brilliant) result of FPTP.
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« Reply #705 on: August 08, 2012, 10:18:09 am »
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That Place projects an Orange 2001. NDP 74, Libs 4, Indies 2, Tories 1. Dixquake incoming.

Do you mean 78 for the NDP?
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« Reply #706 on: August 08, 2012, 10:34:12 am »
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Oops. Yeah, 78 NDP.
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« Reply #707 on: August 08, 2012, 10:56:16 am »
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Some Questions-

Does it look like Clark will lose Vancouver-Point Grey? Or will she move to a different electorate?

Does Cummins have a chance of making it into parliament at all?
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« Reply #708 on: August 08, 2012, 11:00:20 am »
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Clark: She barely won it when she entered the legislature.

Cummins: No idea. Ask Foucaulf or Hatman.
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« Reply #709 on: August 08, 2012, 03:29:30 pm »
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One problem I have with that site's analysis is this sentence:

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While [his projection] is an incredible result for the NDP, it isn't unusual for B.C. The 2001 election resulted in an opposition of two MLAs.

Which is very dishonest on his part, considering BC politics for 60 years consisted of right-wing coalitions/mass parties against a solid bloc of CCF/NDP voters. The massive swing of 2001 was due to a NDP government corrupted by bad business deals - and the case ought to be the same in 2013.

Does Cummins have a chance of making it into parliament at all?

I don't think so for two reasons:

-Does he have a base? Before party leader he was a Conservative MP out of Harper's inner circle, representing Richmond East (anti-HST and pro-NDP as a consequence) and Delta (where  former councilor Vicki Huntington looks safe). He has very low name recognition because of a media used to a two-party system. There are two areas where his message could sell: in the Interior and in Vancouver's majority-white eastern suburbs. He has not lived in either.

-His platform is bare-bones, typical for a protest party. I'm not saying Conservative voters will switch back to the Liberals, but their base is groups of angry seniors, minorities in every riding. It's more likely star candidates hijack the Conservative name than the other way around.
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« Reply #710 on: August 08, 2012, 08:07:03 pm »
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Delta (where  former councilor Vicki Huntington looks safe).

A question. I remember than she is that Independant elected in a Liberal riding.
Does she leans on a side?
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« Reply #711 on: August 09, 2012, 12:27:47 am »
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A question. I remember than she is that Independant elected in a Liberal riding.
Does she leans on a side?

She isn't a very vocal critic of the government, and her rationale for being an independent in the first place is so she can pursue pet issues. Like I said before, not being in either main party really sucks the airtime out of you.  From what I can tell she has gotten herself involved in opposing the HST and is stridently against environmental exploitation. She is far too economically liberal to be in the NDP; more like Clark in that aspect.

Her victory is probably a response to the Liberal candidate, Wally Oppal, being parachuted into Delta. His riding was vacated to make way for police chief Kash Heed, a star candidate with Punjabi appeal - who ended up being shamed by campaign finance problems anyway.
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« Reply #712 on: August 09, 2012, 04:46:25 pm »
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I sure won't want the job of BC Liberals election strategist now.
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« Reply #713 on: August 17, 2012, 03:25:05 pm »
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Dippers rejoice.

http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/canada/mulcair-says-ndp-will-run-quebec-party-in-time-for-the-provincial-next-election-166568356.html

This shouldn't be a partisan thing- all 3 parties should work together against Marois if she wins.

http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/politics/article/1243402--quebec-election-2012-stephen-harper-versus-premier-pauline-marois-would-be-a-bout-for-the-ages
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« Reply #714 on: August 17, 2012, 04:43:58 pm »
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Marois seems like one of those politicians who becomes a hate figure once they get in office.
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« Reply #715 on: August 17, 2012, 04:50:48 pm »
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Marois seems like one of those politicians who becomes a hate figure once they get in office.

She's a snobby, aloof elitist who's less popular than her party. I've heard many things said about her but "hate" isn't one of them.
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« Reply #716 on: September 04, 2012, 11:36:36 pm »
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At PQ victory party, someone fired on 2 persons and arsoned the building.

The two victims are in critical state, and the fire is under control. Marois is safe.
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« Reply #717 on: September 05, 2012, 01:02:47 am »
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Who would a Quebec NDP hurt the most? The PQ? The Liberals?
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« Reply #718 on: September 05, 2012, 07:09:55 pm »
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The PQ. Lefties who want a united Canada wouldn't feel the need to go the PQ every time, hoping they'll not get crazy.
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« Reply #719 on: September 05, 2012, 08:07:28 pm »
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Mulcair said that in light of the PQ victory the plans for NPDQ are on hold.

Next up: Session starts on the 17th, if we don't get some Liberal candidates declaring beforehand.
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« Reply #720 on: September 06, 2012, 12:57:43 am »
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Mulcair said that in light of the PQ victory the plans for NPDQ are on hold.

Next up: Session starts on the 17th, if we don't get some Liberal candidates declaring beforehand.
Is Mulcair not trying to win anymore?
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« Reply #721 on: September 06, 2012, 01:52:16 am »
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Because he recognized a provincial NDP in Quebec would be an awful idea?
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« Reply #722 on: September 06, 2012, 02:35:30 pm »
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Ideologically the PQ and QS are also social democratic, so there's that. Plus a branch plant party is never a good idea in Quebec, as the Liberals (who were literally a branch plant of the PLC until the 1950s) know from their wartime experiences. Brian Mulroney personally squelched a proposed PCQ in the '80s.

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« Reply #723 on: September 06, 2012, 03:34:22 pm »
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Mulcair said that in light of the PQ victory the plans for NPDQ are on hold.

Next up: Session starts on the 17th, if we don't get some Liberal candidates declaring beforehand.
Is Mulcair not trying to win anymore?

In a minority context, elections can be at any moment and launching the party and giving solid footing would at least take a year or two.
Going too quickly would only hurt the party.
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« Reply #724 on: September 07, 2012, 10:31:28 am »
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We just severed diplomatic relations with Iran.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/story/2012/09/07/pol-baird-canada-iran-embassy.html
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