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« Reply #550 on: September 28, 2012, 07:10:54 AM »

SPD should be open to a coalition with Pirates...

At this point, I doubt the Pirates even get in.
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« Reply #551 on: September 28, 2012, 02:24:07 PM »

Breaking News: Peer Steinbrück will be the SPD's candidate for chancellor.
*goes into Obi-wan Kenobi mode* NOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!  Well, at least this will finish him off, hopefully. 
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« Reply #552 on: September 28, 2012, 03:03:04 PM »

The saddest thing is that the FDP will almost certainly get in...
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« Reply #553 on: September 28, 2012, 03:51:31 PM »

Breaking News: Peer Steinbrück will be the SPD's candidate for chancellor.
*goes into Obi-wan Kenobi mode* NOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!  Well, at least this will finish him off, hopefully. 
Hmmm? This was the middle one of three options based on political leanings and the best one based on electability. Just be glad they're not going with Steinmeier again.
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« Reply #554 on: September 28, 2012, 04:15:30 PM »

Just be glad they're not going with Steinmeier again.

Are you suggesting that walking, talking sleeping pills do not make good candidates?
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« Reply #555 on: September 28, 2012, 04:17:16 PM »

Just be glad they're not going with Steinmeier again.

Are you suggesting that walking, talking sleeping pills do not make good candidates?
This is an insult to the honor of the pharmaceutical industry.
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« Reply #556 on: September 28, 2012, 04:18:52 PM »

Also, Kurt Beck has announced his retirement. On the same day.

This will bring the number of female state pm's up to four. Malu Dreyer is the Anointed.
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« Reply #557 on: September 28, 2012, 05:56:07 PM »

The saddest thing is that the FDP will almost certainly get in...
NEVER IN MY LIFE did I think I would ever say this, but:
Crossing fingers for CDU/CSU–FDP majority! 

The reason: It'll be Steinbrück's demise.  Plus, it's not like he'd be any different.  Plus, a grand coalition would prevent the SPD from doing the soul-searching it needs to do to turn left.  And it would almost certainly result in their annihlation in 2017. 
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« Reply #558 on: September 29, 2012, 07:08:02 AM »

Judging by Steinbrück's comments directed at Switzerland in the ongoing tax row and from other things I have seen about him, I assume Steinbrück is a politician who is not afraid of saying what is on his mind. This may be popular among parts of the German electorate but he could turn out to be an unmitigated disaster on the international diplomatic stage.
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« Reply #559 on: September 29, 2012, 07:18:17 AM »

Judging by Steinbrück's comments directed at Switzerland in the ongoing tax row and from other things I have seen about him, I assume Steinbrück is a politician who is not afraid of saying what is on his mind. This may be popular among parts of the German electorate but he could turn out to be an unmitigated disaster on the international diplomatic stage.

No, actually, Sigmar Gabriel would have been the loose cannon. Steinbrück has no such reputation.
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« Reply #560 on: September 29, 2012, 07:34:21 AM »

I think I'm still voting CDU...but I'm willing to listen to Steinbrück.
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« Reply #561 on: September 29, 2012, 11:24:46 PM »

Also, Kurt Beck has announced his retirement. On the same day.

This will bring the number of female state pm's up to four. Malu Dreyer is the Anointed.



The old and the new Governor of Rheinland-Pfalz.

BTW: What kind of first name is "Malu" ? Never heard that before. I've heard "Balu", but not "Malu".
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« Reply #562 on: September 30, 2012, 03:11:02 AM »

An abbreviation of Marie Luise.
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« Reply #563 on: September 30, 2012, 02:17:50 PM »

I wonder if the SPD left just stepped aside because they knew no one who was good could win and wanted to discredit the neoliberals once and for all.  Wouldn't surprise me. 

My top three choices for 2017, not necessarily in this order:
Hannelore Kraft, Manuela Schwesig, Florian Pronold. 
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« Reply #564 on: October 01, 2012, 12:06:40 PM »


That makes sense. But I thought Malu was a name on its own.
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« Reply #565 on: October 02, 2012, 05:36:13 AM »

The media is also paying a lot of attention to the fact that Malu Dreyer has MS.
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« Reply #566 on: October 02, 2012, 10:54:49 AM »

I wonder if the SPD left just stepped aside because they knew no one who was good could win and wanted to discredit the neoliberals once and for all.  Wouldn't surprise me. 

My top three choices for 2017, not necessarily in this order:
Hannelore Kraft, Manuela Schwesig, Florian Pronold. 


The problem for the SPD left is their complete lack of real power and influence. They play almost no role in the partie's decision making. I believe that the strategy is now to get concessions on pension benefits from party leadership.

Regarding 2017 the probable top choices are Hannelore Kraft, Sigmar Gabriel and perhaps Olaf Scholz. Though it all depends wether we'll get another grand coalition, if so a member of the next cabinet is of course also a possibility.

Manuela Schwesig will be still quite young in 2017 and needs much more experience. I like Florian Pronold, but the question is if he can stay state party chairman if the SPD loses the next Bavarian elections (which is quite likely imo)
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« Reply #567 on: October 05, 2012, 10:04:33 AM »

And a new federal poll from yesterday:

CDU/CSU: 39%
SPD: 31%
Greens: 11%
FDP: 4%
Left: 7%
Pirates: 4%
Others: 4%

It looks like a Steinbrück bump for the CDU ;-)

http://www.wahlrecht.de/umfragen/dimap.htm
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« Reply #568 on: October 05, 2012, 10:05:16 AM »

Interesting
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« Reply #569 on: October 06, 2012, 12:02:20 AM »

What about a SPD-Green minority government with the toleration of the Left, in the event that FDP and Pirates fail to get in ? Is that possible or is a Grand Coalition more likely ?
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« Reply #570 on: October 06, 2012, 04:32:56 AM »

What about a SPD-Green minority government with the toleration of the Left, in the event that FDP and Pirates fail to get in ? Is that possible or is a Grand Coalition more likely ?

Strictly speaking, Steinbrück has ruled out both.

But since it is Steinbrück we're talking about, another Grand coalition is far more likely IMO.
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« Reply #571 on: October 06, 2012, 06:24:29 AM »

Am I right in assuming that this'll be Merkel's last election? By the next election, it'll be what? 12 years?
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« Reply #572 on: October 06, 2012, 06:34:10 AM »

Am I right in assuming that this'll be Merkel's last election? By the next election, it'll be what? 12 years?

Yes, but Kohl managed 16 Smiley
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« Reply #573 on: October 06, 2012, 10:22:24 AM »

What would be the biggest differences between the current CDU/FDP government where the CDU has the vast majority of the power - and a likely new "grand coalition" where the SPD would have to be given close to half of the cabinet portfolios?
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« Reply #574 on: October 06, 2012, 10:29:03 AM »

What would be the biggest differences between the current CDU/FDP government where the CDU has the vast majority of the power - and a likely new "grand coalition" where the SPD would have to be given close to half of the cabinet portfolios?

Likely very little difference, perhaps a bit more competence, but the fundamentals of Steinbrücks SPD is not far from CDU policies.
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