Oceania Self Determination Act [VOTE: Motion to Table]

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Oh yeah, as Senate Dean, I second what Bacon Veep has said on this matter of civility.

[Napoleon]

I always assumed it was insult directed at his sexuality, because it was constantly used in IM chats by Hamilton and Libertas and I assumed they had originated it.

I can only speak for myself but I am not insulting anyone's sexuality. The term's been used around the forum plenty. If we want to be a Senate of insult finders, Yankee, then let's go back through Marokai's posts. We can hit the jackpot pretty fast.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

I always assumed it was insult directed at his sexuality, because it was constantly used in IM chats by Hamilton and Libertas and I assumed they had originated it.

I can only speak for myself but I am not insulting anyone's sexuality. The term's been used around the forum plenty. If we want to be a Senate of insult finders, Yankee, then let's go back through Marokai's posts. We can hit the jackpot pretty fast.

I didn't say you did. I am just saying where I had assumed it had come from and why. It is very likely not indeed the case.

[Bacon King]

You can't act like you haven't seen the disgusting things being said about bgwah, wormyguy, or me over the last couple days.

Report it to the moderators if you think he's crossed the line, or start a thread on the other Atlasia board calling him out for saying it, or something. Calling someone a troll during a Senate debate is only going to derail the entire thread, and I'd really prefer we avoided that.


Table motion is currently 4 to 3, vote ongoing

[bgwah]

To undecided Senators: There is no chance the Pacific Region will agree to this bill. There are a lot of bills in the queue. All this bill will do is take up a slot that could be used on another bill. Oceania will remain part of the Pacific whether or not my motion to table fails. The question you need to ask yourselves is do you want to spend a bunch of time on this fruitless endeavor, or do you want to move onto another bill.

[Marokai Backbeat]

I'll change my vote from Nay to Aye on the motion to table. Bgwah is right, and I have bigger fish to fry with my other bills anyway.

I have already lost confidence in Mary's PPT abilities. It is clear the troll cannot take any job more seriously than he would in his other flame wars all over the forum.

I don't need to try and convince you with my words, Napoleon. I'm doing the job that I know how to do pretty well, and that's all that matters as far as you're concerned. I hold this position to a very reasonable standard. Whatever my opinion on things is has nothing to do with my responsibilities as PPT, because unlike what you've proposed over and over again, the two things are separate in my mind.

If you have a problem with the job I am doing, then point out flaws in the job I am doing. I doubt you'll get very far in being upset by my "tone."

All of that being said, I do find it ironic that you're so upset with me having an opinion in this position. You yourself have proposed, numerous times, making the position of PPT an institutionally more partisan position. If you had your way, you'd be giving the Senate que positions only to your party and making more and more decisions based on partisanship rather than what is best for Senate business. This isn't even my opinion, this is what you repeatedly argue in favor of.

I loathe the idea of making the PPT a partisan post. So if you want me out of this job, I suggest you come up with something more meaty than feigned outrage. Thanks.

I always assumed it was insult directed at his sexuality, because it was constantly used in IM chats by Hamilton and Libertas and I assumed they had originated it.

If it's ever been meant as an insult, I've never actually considered it one. Bgwah was probably the person who came up with it first, but he never seemed like he meant for it to insult me. So I don't really mind it either way. If it is meant as an insult, though, they certainly need to come up with something better.

[Junkie]

To undecided Senators: There is no chance the Pacific Region will agree to this bill. There are a lot of bills in the queue. All this bill will do is take up a slot that could be used on another bill. Oceania will remain part of the Pacific whether or not my motion to table fails. The question you need to ask yourselves is do you want to spend a bunch of time on this fruitless endeavor, or do you want to move onto another bill.

Good point.  Change my vote to aye.

[Marokai Backbeat]

The motion to table has lasted for over 48 hours, and the vote is 6 - 1.

The Oceania Self Determination Act is hereby tabled.

Moving on!