Welcome, Guest. Please login or register.
Did you miss your activation email?
July 29, 2014, 01:51:08 pm
HomePredMockPollEVCalcAFEWIKIHelpLogin Register
News: Please delete your old personal messages.

+  Atlas Forum
|-+  Atlas Fantasy Elections
| |-+  Atlas Fantasy Government (Moderators: Gustaf, MasterJedi)
| | |-+  Ballot Access Law [debating]
« previous next »
Pages: [1] 2 Print
Author Topic: Ballot Access Law [debating]  (Read 1175 times)
Bacon King
Moderators
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 15680
United States Minor Outlying Islands


View Profile
« on: January 12, 2012, 05:55:45 pm »
Ignore

Ballot Access Law

1. For single seat elections to federal office, each major political party shall receive one ballot spot.
2. It is up to each major political party to decide how to choose the candidate that receives that party's ballot spot.
3. Independents and minor party candidates are eligible for ballot access if they receive at least five signatures from voters eligible to vote in the election the candidate is running in.

Sponsor: Napoleon
Bill Slot: 7 (forum affairs)
« Last Edit: January 13, 2012, 06:00:04 pm by Bacon King, VP »Logged

BK without all the crazy drugs just wouldn't be BK.
Bacon King: 1.  You're cute, in a weird Tom Wopat kind of way.
R2D2
20RP12
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 21777
Germany


Political Matrix
E: -7.55, S: -7.91

View Profile
« Reply #1 on: January 12, 2012, 06:08:48 pm »
Ignore

I don't see the point in requiring candidates to get signatures just to appear on the ballot...it seems...undemocratic. I believe all candidates should be given equal opportunities to appear on ballots in Atlasia.
Logged

Lt. Governor TJ
TJ in Cleve
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 4678
United States


View Profile
« Reply #2 on: January 12, 2012, 06:37:08 pm »
Ignore

I'm opposed to the third point as well. Since we have IRV voting it really doesn't matter if independents are on the ballot. It seems to run contrary to the point of having IRV voting.
Logged
Marokai Besieged
Marokai Blue
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 16697
United States


View Profile
« Reply #3 on: January 12, 2012, 08:41:23 pm »
Ignore

This would be a mess, and seems completely unnecessary.
Logged

tmthforu94
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 18267
United States


View Profile WWW
« Reply #4 on: January 12, 2012, 10:38:57 pm »
Ignore

I would be more likely to back this if we had a multi-party system, and perhaps it should be brought forth again if the dissolution efforts are successful. But until then, I'm not too big on then. You could easily get around this if someone else in your party had the "nomination" by switching to Independent and then obtaining the signatures.
Logged


"A life is not important except in the impact it has on other lives."
-Jackie Robinson
R2D2
20RP12
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 21777
Germany


Political Matrix
E: -7.55, S: -7.91

View Profile
« Reply #5 on: January 13, 2012, 06:14:53 am »
Ignore

Motion to table?
Logged

Junkie
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 803
United States


Political Matrix
E: 1.68, S: -4.35

View Profile
« Reply #6 on: January 13, 2012, 07:43:19 am »
Ignore

I think I like the idea behind the bill, which is to force a primary for the parties.  However, this bill may make it harder for independents and small parties.  People should be able to run.  Maybe either make it so that each major party is allowed only one candidate to run under its banner officially (but others can run on their own without having a petition) OR don't do it through a law and have each party adopt its own bylaws to force primaries.
Logged
R2D2
20RP12
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 21777
Germany


Political Matrix
E: -7.55, S: -7.91

View Profile
« Reply #7 on: January 13, 2012, 09:17:28 am »
Ignore

I think I like the idea behind the bill, which is to force a primary for the parties.  However, this bill may make it harder for independents and small parties.  People should be able to run.  Maybe either make it so that each major party is allowed only one candidate to run under its banner officially (but others can run on their own without having a petition) OR don't do it through a law and have each party adopt its own bylaws to force primaries.

Yeah, basically this.
Logged

Bacon King
Moderators
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 15680
United States Minor Outlying Islands


View Profile
« Reply #8 on: January 13, 2012, 12:03:58 pm »
Ignore

Motion to table?

Senators, there is now a motion to table this legislation. Please vote aye, nay, or abstain.
Logged

BK without all the crazy drugs just wouldn't be BK.
Bacon King: 1.  You're cute, in a weird Tom Wopat kind of way.
Lt. Governor TJ
TJ in Cleve
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 4678
United States


View Profile
« Reply #9 on: January 13, 2012, 12:06:52 pm »
Ignore

Nay

I would not support it as-in, but I do think the first two items may be a good idea to implement. I do not see this legislation as irredeemably flawed.
Logged
GM Napoleon
Napoleon
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 15382


View Profile
« Reply #10 on: January 13, 2012, 12:33:00 pm »
Ignore

Nay
Logged

When I was in the third grade, I thought that I was Jewish
Because I could count, my nose was big, and I kept my bank account fullish
I told my mom, tears blurring my vision
He said, "Mort, you've loved God since before circumcision"
MOP
MOPolitico
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 1090
United States


View Profile
« Reply #11 on: January 13, 2012, 12:37:55 pm »
Ignore

Nay

Like TJ, I believe that the first two sections are worthy of being passed. I just don't think that independents and minor parties should have to fight to be on the ballot, especially since independent and minor party candidates aren't exactly abundant.
Logged
R2D2
20RP12
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 21777
Germany


Political Matrix
E: -7.55, S: -7.91

View Profile
« Reply #12 on: January 13, 2012, 04:34:43 pm »
Ignore

But couldn't it be argued, as Junkie said, that the first two provisions could be implemented at the party level?
Logged

Junkie
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 803
United States


Political Matrix
E: 1.68, S: -4.35

View Profile
« Reply #13 on: January 13, 2012, 04:43:24 pm »
Ignore

Nay
Logged
bgwah
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 13710
United States


Political Matrix
E: -1.03, S: -6.96

View Profile
« Reply #14 on: January 13, 2012, 05:55:51 pm »
Ignore

nay
Logged

GM Napoleon
Napoleon
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 15382


View Profile
« Reply #15 on: January 13, 2012, 05:58:33 pm »
Ignore

No, 20RP12, it could not be done at the party level.
Logged

When I was in the third grade, I thought that I was Jewish
Because I could count, my nose was big, and I kept my bank account fullish
I told my mom, tears blurring my vision
He said, "Mort, you've loved God since before circumcision"
Bacon King
Moderators
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 15680
United States Minor Outlying Islands


View Profile
« Reply #16 on: January 13, 2012, 05:59:51 pm »
Ignore

Motion to table has failed, debate on the bill resumes.
Logged

BK without all the crazy drugs just wouldn't be BK.
Bacon King: 1.  You're cute, in a weird Tom Wopat kind of way.
bgwah
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 13710
United States


Political Matrix
E: -1.03, S: -6.96

View Profile
« Reply #17 on: January 13, 2012, 06:05:20 pm »
Ignore

While I'm fine having a debate on this, it would make more sense to me to wait until the dissolution passes or fails to do too much tinkering with party-related laws.
Logged

R2D2
20RP12
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 21777
Germany


Political Matrix
E: -7.55, S: -7.91

View Profile
« Reply #18 on: January 13, 2012, 07:27:54 pm »
Ignore

No, 20RP12, it could not be done at the party level.

Why not?
Logged

asexual trans victimologist
Nathan
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 12279


View Profile
« Reply #19 on: January 14, 2012, 03:06:16 am »
Ignore

Why is this law necessary?
Logged

A shameless agrarian collectivist with no respect for private property or individual rights.

His idea of freedom is - it is a bad thing and should be stopped at all costs.

Nathan-land.  As much fun as watching paint dry... literally.
GM Napoleon
Napoleon
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 15382


View Profile
« Reply #20 on: January 14, 2012, 05:17:31 am »
Ignore

No, 20RP12, it could not be done at the party level.

Why not?

How can parties limit a federal ballot?
Logged

When I was in the third grade, I thought that I was Jewish
Because I could count, my nose was big, and I kept my bank account fullish
I told my mom, tears blurring my vision
He said, "Mort, you've loved God since before circumcision"
Junkie
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 803
United States


Political Matrix
E: 1.68, S: -4.35

View Profile
« Reply #21 on: January 14, 2012, 09:35:01 am »
Ignore

No, 20RP12, it could not be done at the party level.

Why not?

Each party can establish a bylaw that states it will only allow one individual to run as its official candidate and then can establish a method be it primary, or whatever, to make that choice.

How can parties limit a federal ballot?
Logged
R2D2
20RP12
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 21777
Germany


Political Matrix
E: -7.55, S: -7.91

View Profile
« Reply #22 on: January 14, 2012, 11:36:45 am »
Ignore

No, 20RP12, it could not be done at the party level.

Why not?

How can parties limit a federal ballot?

Each party can establish a bylaw that states it will only allow one individual to run as its official candidate and then can establish a method be it primary, or whatever, to make that choice.
Logged

GM Napoleon
Napoleon
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 15382


View Profile
« Reply #23 on: January 14, 2012, 02:40:38 pm »
Ignore

That would make it optional, why would each party choose to limit itself?
Logged

When I was in the third grade, I thought that I was Jewish
Because I could count, my nose was big, and I kept my bank account fullish
I told my mom, tears blurring my vision
He said, "Mort, you've loved God since before circumcision"
Junkie
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 803
United States


Political Matrix
E: 1.68, S: -4.35

View Profile
« Reply #24 on: January 14, 2012, 05:21:44 pm »
Ignore

That would make it optional, why would each party choose to limit itself?

Because the realize that primaries are a good idea OR an at least more likely it is good strategy for a party to have only one candidate or ticket (except of course in at-large senate and regional assembly races)
Logged
Pages: [1] 2 Print 
« previous next »
Jump to:  


Login with username, password and session length

Logout

Powered by SMF 1.1.19 | SMF © 2013, Simple Machines