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« on: January 12, 2012, 06:24:17 pm »
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OSPR Amendment #97495

Section 5, Clause 1 of the Senate Rules, Regulations, and Procedures is amended to read:

1. Any Senator can, during a period of debate, with the support of one other Senator, introduce a motion to table the legislation.

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« Reply #1 on: January 12, 2012, 06:26:26 pm »
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I support this.
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« Reply #2 on: January 12, 2012, 06:27:59 pm »
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Seems like a reasonable change.
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« Reply #3 on: January 13, 2012, 12:07:35 pm »
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I support this proposed amendment. The rights of the minority are important, but one Senator should not be able to single-handedly stall the debate of a bill (Besides, if a motion to table can't even gain two sponsors, what's the likelihood of it passing?).
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« Reply #4 on: January 13, 2012, 04:53:44 pm »
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I kind of go back and forth on it.  Yes, one Senator doing a motion to table can be annoying and slow down a bill.  One can argue it our version of the filibuster.  While that tactic was shamefully used in the era of civil rights and today, it was also used by Huey Long to champion the poor and Bernie Sanders to protest tax cuts.

I value parlimentary rules that allow for a lone principled dissenter to raise attention to his cause and fight to the very end.  It may be annoying, and it may be used against bills I care about, but I have to say it is important to me.

After all that, I think I will not support this amendment.
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« Reply #5 on: January 13, 2012, 06:04:15 pm »
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Okay guys, we've just had three motions to table introduced in under 16 hours... passing this would definitely be a good idea.
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« Reply #6 on: January 13, 2012, 07:29:13 pm »
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Okay guys, we've just had three motions to table introduced in under 16 hours... passing this would definitely be a good idea.

I'm pretty confident this will pass Tongue
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« Reply #7 on: January 13, 2012, 08:33:07 pm »
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Okay guys, we've just had three motions to table introduced in under 16 hours... passing this would definitely be a good idea.

I don't see this as a bad idea.
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« Reply #8 on: January 13, 2012, 08:36:26 pm »
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I would invoke unanimous consent, to move this along, but I suspect there's one Senator that wouldn't like that.
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« Reply #9 on: January 13, 2012, 09:51:45 pm »
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Okay guys, we've just had three motions to table introduced in under 16 hours... passing this would definitely be a good idea.

I'm certain mine would have been seconded very quickly, FTR.
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« Reply #10 on: January 14, 2012, 01:09:12 am »
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Im with Junkie.
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« Reply #11 on: January 14, 2012, 09:45:46 am »
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Im with Junkie.

I bet that statement probably suprised some people.  Thank you for the support.  We need to preserve the right of "lone dissent."
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« Reply #12 on: January 14, 2012, 07:18:07 pm »
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If an idea  is bad enough to be worth tabling, finding a Senator to second the motion should be trivial. Lone dissent isn't being stopped; vote nay to your heart's content. But don't muck up Senate business by flinging out motions to table legislation for no other reason than you dislike it like a machine gun.
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« Reply #13 on: January 14, 2012, 11:47:51 pm »
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If an idea  is bad enough to be worth tabling, finding a Senator to second the motion should be trivial. Lone dissent isn't being stopped; vote nay to your heart's content. But don't muck up Senate business by flinging out motions to table legislation for no other reason than you dislike it like a machine gun.

Two things.  I totally agree that motions to table should not be used just because you have a personality disagreement.  That being said, I do not agree that getting a second will be that easy.  What if there will a bill that I fundamentally thought was wrong, but the rest of the Senate just did not care or disagreed with me.  By being able to slow down the debate by a motion to table I take a stand.  We don't have the filibuster.  Sometimes voting nay is just not enough.
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« Reply #14 on: January 15, 2012, 08:53:47 pm »
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"What if there was something I fundamentally thought was wrong, but the rest...just did not care or disagreed with me."


hmmm, nope, wouldn't know what that is like at all.
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« Reply #15 on: January 16, 2012, 08:01:00 pm »
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The following bill has been up for debate for over three days and has seen no substantial debate for the last day or so, so I'm opening up a final vote on this resolution. Please vote Aye, Nay, or Abstain.

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Section 5, Clause 1 of the Senate Rules, Regulations, and Procedures is amended to read:

1. Any Senator can, during a period of debate, with the support of one other Senator, introduce a motion to table the legislation.



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« Reply #16 on: January 16, 2012, 08:03:01 pm »
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« Reply #17 on: January 16, 2012, 08:04:19 pm »
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« Reply #18 on: January 16, 2012, 08:31:14 pm »
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« Reply #19 on: January 17, 2012, 01:13:47 am »
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« Reply #20 on: January 17, 2012, 07:49:05 am »
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« Reply #21 on: January 17, 2012, 11:29:39 am »
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« Reply #22 on: January 18, 2012, 08:00:04 pm »
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Currently at 5 - 2.
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« Reply #23 on: January 20, 2012, 07:14:05 pm »
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Nay. Sometimes we have to put up with nonesense, for a good reason.
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« Reply #24 on: January 23, 2012, 08:45:16 pm »
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As I'm now operating under the assumption there are 9 Senators, this resolution is currently passing.
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