South Carolina Fox News GOP debate **live commentary thread**

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At least Santorum admits to his flip-flops...

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"I'll do it in the order that I want to do."

Geez, he is cocky tonight.

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You're going down tonight, Mitt.

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Congratulations, Phil.

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"I've always opposed gay marriage"
"I believe in equal rights for people"

Lied, and then flip-flopped in the same sentence.

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"I've always opposed gay marriage." - Mitt Romney

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a9IJUkYUbvI

Supporting gay rights does not equal supporting gay marriage. Just ask Ron Paul.

That's pretty much what the whole gay rights movement is about.

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I hope somebody brings up Romney's support for the bailouts here.

I have a feeling it's going to be a long night for Mitt.

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"I've always opposed gay marriage." - Mitt Romney

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a9IJUkYUbvI

Supporting gay rights does not equal supporting gay marriage. Just ask Ron Paul.

That's pretty much what the whole gay rights movement is about.

Certainly an improvement over the gay rights movement of the '70s, which was basically about promiscious sex with strangers in bathhouses.

The hell.

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"I've always opposed gay marriage." - Mitt Romney

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a9IJUkYUbvI

Supporting gay rights does not equal supporting gay marriage. Just ask Ron Paul.

That's pretty much what the whole gay rights movement is about.

Certainly an improvement over the gay rights movement of the '70s, which was basically about promiscious sex with strangers in bathhouses.

It was also about being able to be sitting in a bar without the police coming in and beating you up...

And spreading lots of nasty diseases that other people can pay for with regards to treatment.

Yeah, I'm sure they were all doing it deliberately.

[The world will shine with light in our nightmare]

"I've always opposed gay marriage." - Mitt Romney

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a9IJUkYUbvI

Supporting gay rights does not equal supporting gay marriage. Just ask Ron Paul.

That's pretty much what the whole gay rights movement is about.

Certainly an improvement over the gay rights movement of the '70s, which was basically about promiscious sex with strangers in bathhouses.

It was also about being able to be sitting in a bar without the police coming in and beating you up...

And spreading lots of nasty diseases that other people can pay for with regards to treatment.

Yeah, I'm sure they were all doing it deliberately.

Gaetan Dugas did a good job of it. He probably killed more people than the most prolific serial killers in history.

So because one guy did it, they all did it and that's the face of their movement.  ...Right.

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"I've always opposed gay marriage." - Mitt Romney

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a9IJUkYUbvI

Supporting gay rights does not equal supporting gay marriage. Just ask Ron Paul.

That's pretty much what the whole gay rights movement is about.

Certainly an improvement over the gay rights movement of the '70s, which was basically about promiscious sex with strangers in bathhouses.

It was also about being able to be sitting in a bar without the police coming in and beating you up...

And spreading lots of nasty diseases that other people can pay for with regards to treatment.

Yeah, I'm sure they were all doing it deliberately.

Gaetan Dugas did a good job of it. He probably killed more people than the most prolific serial killers in history.

So because one guy did it, they all did it and that's the face of their movement.  ...Right.

I know what it was all about. It was about treating sex like fast food. Go read "And the Band Played On," a book about the era written by a gay journalist.

I still don't see how this relates to asking for the same marriage rights as straight people.

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Perry's more dead than dead at this point, now.  I didn't think it could get much worse.

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Raising the retirement age is such a ridiculous idea.

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http://www.sacbee.com/2011/12/01/4091356/raising-the-retirement-age-increases.html

Besides, having in a system in that lets one generation retire early and another retire later just isn't fair.  It would be far more reasonable to knock people off government benefit programs if they're very wealthy, but of course, no one would like that.

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http://www.sacbee.com/2011/12/01/4091356/raising-the-retirement-age-increases.html

Besides, having in a system in that lets one generation retire early and another retire later just isn't fair.  It would be far more reasonable to knock people off government benefit programs if they're very wealthy, but of course, no one would like that.

So wealthy people who have paid literally hundreds of thousands of dollars into Social Security and Medicare over decades should not get any return whatsoever on their "investment," if you can call it that?

It's better than telling middle-class people of old age to work longer and that they're screwed if they lose their jobs and can't find work.  It's a misguided thing to do, especially when unemployment is so high.  And we already have people working longer than they should be just because they can't afford to retire.

If we want to stop from defaulting, we should cut waste out of the system and roll back the Bush tax cuts.  Your guy wants to make the cuts permanent and bloat our military.

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http://www.sacbee.com/2011/12/01/4091356/raising-the-retirement-age-increases.html

Besides, having in a system in that lets one generation retire early and another retire later just isn't fair.  It would be far more reasonable to knock people off government benefit programs if they're very wealthy, but of course, no one would like that.

So wealthy people who have paid literally hundreds of thousands of dollars into Social Security and Medicare over decades should not get any return whatsoever on their "investment," if you can call it that?

It's better than telling middle-class people of old age to work longer and that they're screwed if they lose their jobs and can't find work.  It's a misguided thing to do, especially when unemployment is so high.  And we already have people working longer than they should be just because they can't afford to retire.

If the choice is default or raise the retirement age, that is not even a choice.

I can't get over some of you folks on the left. You seem to think the wealthy can bail out everybody else, or pick up the slack for everybody. It's just not so. What you are advocating ultimately amounts to theft, and does not solve the problem.

There is no getting around it: Raising the retirement age and/or raising taxes will need to occur down the road.

The middle-class has been picking up the slack for everybody for years!  The rich can pay their taxes no problem, but the middle-class needs the tax relief.  We don't need to raise the retirement age, but we can roll back the expensive tax cuts and not bloat our military, like Romney wants to do.

The answer is to cut spending and raise taxes simultaneously.  Raising the retirement age so that the middle-class can suffer more isn't the answer at all.