Should the U.S. Pledge of Allegiance be abolished?

[Franzl]

It's really a stupid thing to recite every day before school. But it's one of those American patriotism things that is pretty much artificial. Wave the flag, recite the pledge, don't begin a musical without singing the national anthem, etc.

It makes each recital worth less because of the routine, and I doubt the students taking part really know or care what they're saying for the most part.

But hey. USA!

[Franzl]

I understand that point Tweed- but I sometimes cant stand the outrage some people have to nationalism.. I am PROUD to be in this nation where people are free and where minoritires or gays are not killed for who they are, and I am proud to say so every day!

You understand there are other free countries (some likely with a higher level of freedom) than the United States?

[Franzl]

While it is true the US has played a big role in securing freedom in the Western world, you can't use that as a free pass to avoid any criticism today. The fact is there are many countries with equal or greater freedom.

And it's not as if America's foreign policy has only been around to spread freedom...let's not pretend otherwise.

Yeah, the US tends to be one of the good guys...but I do get annoyed by the arrogance expressed by many (like in your last post).

[Franzl]

I believe in pride in ones nation... it does not bother me if a Brit thinks the UK is best but what bothers me is an American who says we are not exceptional

So what is someone (like me) who holds two citizenships to believe in that regard?