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« on: January 20, 2012, 10:29:59 am »
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This is a game (a political simulation) based on the breakup of Yugoslavia, but using a Communist Canada as a base for the game.

In this game, Canada becomes Communist sometime in the 30's, and for a reason not important to the plot of the game, the US allows this.

Each player will play the leader of a province. More data to come. Sign up here.
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« Reply #1 on: January 20, 2012, 12:52:05 pm »
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Tis seems interesting... what exactly is the object? Is it similar to the Fantasy Elections?
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« Reply #2 on: January 20, 2012, 01:00:52 pm »
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It's a wide open sandbox. The objective is what you make it.

You can drive for Independence. You can attempt to create a superstate consisting of parts of other provinces plus your province. You can attempt your best to keep Canada united. It's all up to you.
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« Reply #3 on: January 20, 2012, 01:07:07 pm »
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Alright- I may need some instruction or tips but I will sign up for Alberta
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« Reply #4 on: January 20, 2012, 01:32:38 pm »
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I'll be the old guard in Ontario.
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« Reply #5 on: January 20, 2012, 02:03:32 pm »
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I'm still building the country, but in short...

The Atlantic has left the country, leaving only the 6 "westmost" provinces; plus the northern territories which are not playable.

Canada managed to stay out of the Eastern Bloc, like Yugoslavia, but was still a "friend" of sorts.

Prior to 1960...
Many French communists moved to Canada, and Quebec, while many Quebecois moved out to the rest of Canada. Even those from France became part of the Quebecois culture.
Many Anglos fled from Canada to the US, except in Ontario. Ontario became the home of Anglos in Canada, and the remainder of British original settlers considered themselves Ontarians.
Ontarians and Quebecois are scattered across Canada, and, across Ontario and Quebec, with many on the "wrong" side of the boundary.

Alberta became a mecca for Russians fleeing from the Soviet Union.
British Columbia became a homeland for Chinese leaving Red China.
Saskatchewan was a great draw for Ukrainians
Manitoba meanwhile found itself filling with Germans.
In each of these 4 provinces, 50%+1 are of these ethnicities, but none has above 66% of these ethnicities. At leas 33% in each of these provinces is a combo of Ontarian and Quebecois.


The population of the provinces is as follows:

Ontario - 21.3 Million
Quebec - 17.8 Million
British Columbia - 7.1 Million
Alberta - 5.8 Million
Saskatchewan - 2.3 Million
Manitoba - 2.2 Million
Territories Combined - 0.3 Million

TOTAL: 56.8 million



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« Reply #6 on: January 20, 2012, 02:49:22 pm »
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I'm still building the country, but in short...

The Atlantic has left the country, leaving only the 6 "westmost" provinces; plus the northern territories which are not playable.

Canada managed to stay out of the Eastern Bloc, like Yugoslavia, but was still a "friend" of sorts.

Prior to 1960...
Many French communists moved to Canada, and Quebec, while many Quebecois moved out to the rest of Canada. Even those from France became part of the Quebecois culture.
Many Anglos fled from Canada to the US, except in Ontario. Ontario became the home of Anglos in Canada, and the remainder of British original settlers considered themselves Ontarians.
Ontarians and Quebecois are scattered across Canada, and, across Ontario and Quebec, with many on the "wrong" side of the boundary.

Alberta became a mecca for Russians fleeing from the Soviet Union.
British Columbia became a homeland for Chinese leaving Red China.
Saskatchewan was a great draw for Ukrainians
Manitoba meanwhile found itself filling with Germans.
In each of these 4 provinces, 50%+1 are of these ethnicities, but none has above 66% of these ethnicities. At leas 33% in each of these provinces is a combo of Ontarian and Quebecois.


The population of the provinces is as follows:

Ontario - 21.3 Million
Quebec - 17.8 Million
British Columbia - 7.1 Million
Alberta - 5.8 Million
Saskatchewan - 2.3 Million
Manitoba - 2.2 Million
Territories Combined - 0.3 Million

TOTAL: 56.8 million





Wait a minute, did you just say that British Columbia is majority Chinese?
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« Reply #7 on: January 20, 2012, 05:21:12 pm »
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I know it's a stretch Tongue

but yes, each province is a majority for those ethnicities.

Remember though that most of the immigration took place prior to the 60's, and that this game takes place in 1998.

Economically, the country is uniform.
(Note that for comparison's sake, 2012 Canadian dollars are used. Meaning when I say $1 I am talking about $1 in Canada in 2012, which, just happens to be the value of $1 in 1998 Canadian dollars in-game)

Canadians are paid bi-weekly. The average wage is $272. Rent is rather cheap being on average $40 bi-weekly for a two-bedroom.
The poorest 10% of Canadians make just $211 bi-weekly, while the richest 10% make an amazing $397. All Canadians, according to stats, who want a job, work, and all work Full-Time. Compare this to the US where the average bi-weekly earnings are $1,538

Most Canadian families have a Television. Very very few have a computer or a portable phone. Newsprint (papers and magazines) are very popular.

All Canadians speak English - the law ensures that - and all speak it fluently. Most speak their "native" language as well, and at least 40% speak a third language or beyond.

Each of the Western provinces provides 3 television channels for viewing, while Ontario and Quebec provide 6. In addition, there are 3 nation-wide stations. Television sets in Canada are designed to be incompatible with regular US signals, though the US has from time to time attempted to broadcast on frequencies that can be picked up by Canadian TV. Starting in 1994, the government starting putting chips in the TV's that would block these signals.

The Communist Party of Canada, or CPC (and yes, they were known as this prior to 2003) rules the country.

and first came to (partial) power in 1923, before taking over the country fully in 1931.

The CPC is a federation of provincial parties, and thus in an odd way, does not exist on it's own. It is made up of the Communist Party of BC, the Communist Party of Alberta, the Communist Party of Saskatchewan, the Communist Party of Manitoba, the Communist Party of Ontario, and the Communist Party of Quebec.
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« Reply #8 on: January 20, 2012, 05:34:19 pm »
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I think it's more than just a stretch, I think you've snapped it!

A sizable (25-30%) minority I could buy, but certainly not a majority.
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« Reply #9 on: January 20, 2012, 06:19:20 pm »
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Canada became the "place to be" for Communists.
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« Reply #10 on: January 20, 2012, 06:45:59 pm »
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Let's put this into perspective. ITTL, there are over three and a half million Chinese living in British Columbia. That's about triple the number of Chinese Americans living in California in real life, despite California having over five times the total population of TTL's British Columbia. How on earth did Canada handle these massive waves of foreigners?
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« Reply #11 on: January 20, 2012, 07:00:16 pm »
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Most "Canadians" fled the west when Communism came in.

Besides, the game does not work without it. If you want to question something, question how the US would allow a communist state to develop and last for the better part of a century on it's border. It's just one of those things that you gotta accept for the game to work Tongue I'm asking you to suspend your disbelief on this one.
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« Reply #12 on: January 20, 2012, 07:11:24 pm »
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I call Quebec.
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« Reply #13 on: January 20, 2012, 07:28:38 pm »
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If you've declared a province before this, it is as good as yours.
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« Reply #14 on: January 20, 2012, 07:34:58 pm »
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Most "Canadians" fled the west when Communism came in.

Besides, the game does not work without it. If you want to question something, question how the US would allow a communist state to develop and last for the better part of a century on it's border. It's just one of those things that you gotta accept for the game to work Tongue I'm asking you to suspend your disbelief on this one.

Yeah, I suppose that it's not the only ASB thing going on in this game. I'll just roll with it.
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« Reply #15 on: January 20, 2012, 07:58:30 pm »
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National Anthem
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FxApm-p60Z4

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« Reply #16 on: January 20, 2012, 08:50:24 pm »
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Is there an English translation for dumbs like me who are monolingual?
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« Reply #17 on: January 21, 2012, 09:06:28 am »
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Nope. If there was one I'd have used one. Tongue (note that this applies in-game as well)
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« Reply #18 on: January 21, 2012, 09:21:11 am »
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Why not an actual Canadian communist song?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zSVP_C_6PkI

It's also pretty cool about crushing the bourgeois, breaking the chains of exploitation for ever
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« Reply #19 on: January 21, 2012, 02:16:26 pm »
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Why not an actual Canadian communist song?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zSVP_C_6PkI

It's also pretty cool about crushing the bourgeois, breaking the chains of exploitation for ever

I like this better. It sounds more militant.
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« Reply #20 on: January 21, 2012, 08:44:54 pm »
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Ooo, yes that is very good. Okay THAT is our national anthem.

Note that it is in French, both in reality and in the game.

Some demographic stats coming up.
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« Reply #21 on: January 21, 2012, 09:04:11 pm »
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ALSO NOTE A CHANGE

Canada has a new Territory shown as the red shape here (ignore the rest of the map)
The other 2 territories are divided by the red line.
Ignore the blue and black, they are not part of this game.

http://maps.google.ca/maps/ms?authuser=0&vps=2&hl=en&ie=UTF8&oe=UTF8&msa=0&msid=214668381355121949879.0004b30159dc4be2186dd

This is the Northwest Territories; despite being in the Centre-East.

Note that there are a number of rail lines going end to end though the Territory, built by the Communists to "settle" the Territory.... yea that never worked very well; but the rail lines are still there.
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« Reply #22 on: January 21, 2012, 09:09:43 pm »
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Why the above change?

This allows for Ontario and/or Quebec to put pressure on at least 3 provinces by being able to go "over" provinces in between in order to send in troops, and thus, allows them more control over Canada. In addition, it prevents Ontario from blocking Quebec.
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« Reply #23 on: January 21, 2012, 09:18:19 pm »
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Ontario - 21.3 Million
Ontarian - 77%
Quebecois - 18%
Other - 5%

Quebec - 17.8 Million
Quebecois - 82%
Ontarian - 16%
Other - 2%

British Columbia - 7.1 Million
Chinese - 65%
Ontarian - 15%
Quebecois - 14%
Other - 6%

Alberta - 5.8 Million
Russian - 53%
Ontarian - 23%
Quebecois -21%
Other - 3%

Saskatchewan - 2.3 Million
Ukranian - 51%
Ontarian - 37%
Quebecois - 6%
Other - 8%

Manitoba - 2.2 Million
German - 52%
Quebecois - 39%
Ontarian - 2%
Other - 7%

Territories Combined - 0.3 Million
Quebecois - 55%
Ontarian - 40%
Other - 5%
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« Reply #24 on: January 25, 2012, 03:29:42 pm »
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I guess this is DOA, too? A shame, really.
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