New 2011/2012 population estimates for France released

[Tender Branson]

Jan. 1, 2012: 65.350.181 (incl. overseas territories) - growth: +349.000
Jan. 1, 2012: 63.460.768 (excl. overseas territories) - growth: +333.000

Jan. 1, 2011: 65.001.181 (incl. overseas territories)
Jan. 1, 2011: 63.127.768 (excl. overseas territories)

...

France (incl. overseas territories):

Births: 827.000 (Birth rate: 12.7/1000)
Deaths: 555.000 (Death rate: 8.5/1000)
Natural Growth: +272.000
Migration Balance: +77.000
Total growth: +349.000

France (excl. overseas territories):

Births: 797.000 (Birth rate: 12.6/1000)
Deaths: 544.000 (Death rate: 8.6/1000)
Natural Growth: +253.000
Migration Balance: +80.000
Total growth: +333.000

...

French regions (only Jan 1, 2011 data available so far):

[Tender Branson]

That means France will likely crack the 70 Mio. people barrier by 2025.

And overtake Germany's population sometime in the (early) 2040s ...

Also, I didn't know IDF had a negative immigration balance. I thought it was positive.

[Californian Tony]

It's an utter shame how France has ceased to do any actual census, so that we will have to rely on those damn estimates forever.

[RogueBeaver]

It's an utter shame how France has ceased to do any actual census, so that we will have to rely on those damn estimates forever.

Who did that and why?

[Californian Tony]

It's an utter shame how France has ceased to do any actual census, so that we will have to rely on those damn estimates forever.

Who did that and why?

I don't know which government decided it, but the last full census was held in 1999.

[Frodo]

That means France will likely crack the 70 Mio. people barrier by 2025.

And overtake Germany's population sometime in the (early) 2040s ...

France for centuries long had the largest population in Europe at least until after the Napoleonic wars.  This would merely be a return to historic norms. 

[Tender Branson]

That means France will likely crack the 70 Mio. people barrier by 2025.

And overtake Germany's population sometime in the (early) 2040s ...

France for centuries long had the largest population in Europe at least until after the Napoleonic wars.  This would merely be a return to historic norms. 

Don't count out the UK:

It's currently growing much faster than France (ca. 450.000 per year) and if trends continue, it could even pass France as the biggest country by 2050 ...

[Insula Dei]

That means France will likely crack the 70 Mio. people barrier by 2025.

And overtake Germany's population sometime in the (early) 2040s ...

France for centuries long had the largest population in Europe at least until after the Napoleonic wars.  This would merely be a return to historic norms. 

Germany wasn't a unified nation for centuries long. What's your source and does it compare historical nations to one another or does it try to estimate population for contemporary nations troughout history?

[Frodo]

That means France will likely crack the 70 Mio. people barrier by 2025.

And overtake Germany's population sometime in the (early) 2040s ...

France for centuries long had the largest population in Europe at least until after the Napoleonic wars.  This would merely be a return to historic norms.  

Germany wasn't a unified nation for centuries long. What's your source and does it compare historical nations to one another or does it try to estimate population for contemporary nations troughout history?

I first heard of this claim when reading various history books on medieval Europe -and I never thought about questioning it since it wasn't my interest or main focus of inquiry.  As for online links, here is one -and fortunately it has citation.  In addition, I am assuming that when making this claim, historians took into account the population figures of the Holy Roman Empire -including the territory of what is today modern Germany.    

[Californian Tony]

That means France will likely crack the 70 Mio. people barrier by 2025.

And overtake Germany's population sometime in the (early) 2040s ...

France for centuries long had the largest population in Europe at least until after the Napoleonic wars.  This would merely be a return to historic norms.  

Germany wasn't a unified nation for centuries long. What's your source and does it compare historical nations to one another or does it try to estimate population for contemporary nations troughout history?

I first heard of this claim when reading various history books on medieval Europe -and I never thought about questioning it since it wasn't my interest or main focus of inquiry.  As for online links, here is one -and fortunately it has citation.  In addition, I am assuming that when making this claim, historians took into account the population figures of the Holy Roman Empire -including the territory of what is today modern Germany.    

Well, the Holy Roman Empire was extended well beyond today's Germany. Apart from Silesia and Pomerania (which can be counted, considering these places were populated by Germans until WW2 and those Germans now live in today's Germany), the HRE still encomprised modern-day Czech Republic, Austria, Slovenia, Switzerland, Northern Italy, Northeastern France and Benelux....

[Insula Dei]

That means France will likely crack the 70 Mio. people barrier by 2025.

And overtake Germany's population sometime in the (early) 2040s ...

France for centuries long had the largest population in Europe at least until after the Napoleonic wars.  This would merely be a return to historic norms.  

Germany wasn't a unified nation for centuries long. What's your source and does it compare historical nations to one another or does it try to estimate population for contemporary nations troughout history?

I first heard of this claim when reading various history books on medieval Europe -and I never thought about questioning it since it wasn't my interest or main focus of inquiry.  As for online links, here is one -and fortunately it has citation.  In addition, I am assuming that when making this claim, historians took into account the population figures of the Holy Roman Empire -including the territory of what is today modern Germany.   

Yeah, that'd make sense; although wouldn't they just count Austria's population, Bavaria's population, Trier's population,... ? When you count it like that France would be guaranteed to come out on top, I think. 

With an estimated population of 11 million in 1400, 20 million in the 17th century, and 28 million in 1789, until 1795 France was the most populated country in Europe (even ahead of Russia and twice the size of Britain or the Netherlands) and the third most populous country in the world, behind only China and India

Seems to imply to me that they counted the HRE's members as separate nations, as it isn't mentioned while the Netherlands are. (Then again, they don't mention Austria either.)

[Benwah [why on Earth do I post something] Courseyay]

Also, I didn't know IDF had a negative immigration balance. I thought it was positive.

They are going to the South, especially South-West, and also a bit on the West coast, that's a regular trend for years.

Beside something like the ongoing big development of Toulouse and of all the region around it in aerospace, planes, and other kinds of high engineering, which in the same time brings a lot of tertiary economy, in a region which wasn't much industrial in the past, then which is open to all kind of new stuffs, in a region in which (outside of Toulouse) real estate prices are some of the lowest of France, and in a region who still has the lowest population density rate, beside all of this, seems that one of the biggest thing people from IDF are looking for is...SUN! Well, fleeing the grey and overcrowded tired/crazy IDF...

What would Europe do without the South West of France...

[Frodo]

That means France will likely crack the 70 Mio. people barrier by 2025.

And overtake Germany's population sometime in the (early) 2040s ...

France for centuries long had the largest population in Europe at least until after the Napoleonic wars.  This would merely be a return to historic norms. 

Don't count out the UK:

It's currently growing much faster than France (ca. 450.000 per year) and if trends continue, it could even pass France as the biggest country by 2050 ...

Is this assuming the United Kingdom remains, well, united?  Would these population projections still hold up with only England and Wales? 

[Tender Branson]

That means France will likely crack the 70 Mio. people barrier by 2025.

And overtake Germany's population sometime in the (early) 2040s ...

France for centuries long had the largest population in Europe at least until after the Napoleonic wars.  This would merely be a return to historic norms. 

Don't count out the UK:

It's currently growing much faster than France (ca. 450.000 per year) and if trends continue, it could even pass France as the biggest country by 2050 ...

Is this assuming the United Kingdom remains, well, united?  Would these population projections still hold up with only England and Wales? 

Of course not. And this is only the case if the (united) UK grows by 450K annually, which can most likely not be sustained. But both the UK and France have good chances to overtake Germany by the 2040s, with about 300-400K annual growth, unless Germany has an influx of immigrants over the next 30 years that keeps the population stable at 80 Mio.