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I maintain that
Demons
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I've read a lot of Dostoyevsky and love him. I've only read
The Death of Ivan Ilyich
from Tolstoy, so I can't really judge.
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Tolstoy. The man told damn good stories, and told them in a plain, straightforward fashion. I have no patience for the guesswork required to decipher Dusty's dreams, symbols, and metaphors.
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My experience with both is limited, but
War and Peace
is a much more memorable book than
Crime and Punishment
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Only read Anna Karenina by Tolstoy, but though undoubtedly great, it did feel like a poor man's Dostoevsky.
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I'm researching Tolstoy for a project for World Cultures, so that's who I voted for
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January 27, 2012, 11:36:50 am »
Dostoevsky,
Notes from the Underground
is a great short novel, and
The Brothers Karamazov
is a great novel that changed my life. It's a close one though.
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Having read but one of the most famous books of one of these two authors, I absolutely am not qualified to comment myself.
However, one of my absolute favorite authors (the Wetterau's own Andreas Maier) names both of them among his favorite authors, and has commented on the very question of how they compare at length, so I'll just quote him at length.
The translation to follow from the original German will be mine and rather hurried, so bear with me.
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Sheesh. This isn't coming out so well. The actual comparison is about a page, but he's going on about Dostoevski before and after and it's all sort of one thought and it isn't making much sense if I'm only sticking to the page that has Tolstoi in it.
In summary he's saying that Tolstoi was incredibly versatile in style and supremely capable of dealing with all sort of subject matters, and it probably takes a writer to recognize just how much mastery goes into making it all seem so easy. While Dostoevski ploughs through ever the same subject matter, using ever the same techniques - and, in the original, a very direct, unpolished, even boorish language - but these few techniques he has refined "like a farmer his ploughing technique". But Maier happens to care about much the same subject matter (Dostoevski's views on fallen mankind), and of course Dostoevski's mastery at dialogue. He then also defends Dostoevski against some other charges - like his characters are ever so exalted, there's such a lot of drunkenness going on etc pp. And Dostoevski's style is "redundant", something Maier admits: "He often needs fifty pages for something Tolstoi could have told you in one paragraph and in much more artful language and with much more seeming ease. This is because in Dostoevski's great novels the omniscient narrator's or else the nominal first person narrator's voice is very much sidelined" which you could make an argument out of that Dostoevski was simply the much more modern, 20th century, writer. Also Maier doesn't make that argument at all.
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was not expecting a result this lopsided!
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Dostoevsky, but it's
close
. My absolute love for
The Idiot
won me over.
I think my favorite Tolstoy is actually 'How Much Land Does a Man Need?', if only for its absolutely [Inks]ing brilliant final line.
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Voted for Dostoevsky, but I've never read any Tolstoy.
Can anyone suggest to me where I should start? I'm looking for something that'll grab me thematically but leave me wanting more, in the way that
Notes from Underground
lead me to
Crime and Punishment
which then lead me to
The Brothers Karamazov
and onward. (I share Nathan's appreciation for
The Idiot
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Quote from: Averroės Nix on May 11, 2012, 08:12:44 am
Voted for Dostoevsky, but I've never read any Tolstoy.
Can anyone suggest to me where I should start? I'm looking for something that'll grab me thematically but leave me wanting more, in the way that
Notes from Underground
lead me to
Crime and Punishment
which then lead me to
The Brothers Karamazov
and onward. (I share Nathan's appreciation for
The Idiot
.)
The Death of Ivan Ilyich
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Quote from: © The Importance of Being Tweedist on May 11, 2012, 10:16:19 am
Quote from: Averroės Nix on May 11, 2012, 08:12:44 am
Voted for Dostoevsky, but I've never read any Tolstoy.
Can anyone suggest to me where I should start? I'm looking for something that'll grab me thematically but leave me wanting more, in the way that
Notes from Underground
lead me to
Crime and Punishment
which then lead me to
The Brothers Karamazov
and onward. (I share Nathan's appreciation for
The Idiot
.)
The Death of Ivan Ilyich
Finished that about a week ago or so. Once thesis is done I'll have me a bit more Tolstoy. I also recently read a weird Dostoevsky one with a lesbian subplot of sorts. Wondering if it might have been a pirated copy.
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Both, but if to pick...
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yeah the majority who chose D are fools at best enemies at worst
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Quote from: © Tweed Sees the Truth, But Waits on July 19, 2012, 12:07:35 am
yeah the majority who chose D are fools at best enemies at worst
Eh. I'm probably both from your perspective, so it fits.
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Quote from: The Mikado on August 11, 2012, 12:58:08 am
Quote from: © Tweed Sees the Truth, But Waits on July 19, 2012, 12:07:35 am
yeah the majority who chose D are fools at best enemies at worst
Eh. I'm probably both from your perspective, so it fits.
Or any other perspective, really.
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Longwinded, simple great vs over-the-top, emotional-precion great...
I've never finished any of their books, although I was enjoying
The Gambler
quite a bit.
There are two Russian books I've both finished and remembered: The Cancer Ward, and One Day in the life of Ivan Somethinovich, so I'll vote for Solzenitsyn.
I have reached the point in my life now where I'm pretty much only reading British authors with a handful of Australians thrown in. But to be honest, that's pretty much always been the case for me.
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