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Junkie
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« on: January 23, 2012, 10:56:36 PM »

still seems pointless and unnecessary

Well I would say that if we stay as only two big tent parties for the rest of time, yeah I might agree with you.  But, if they dissolve and we end up with anywhere from 4 to 6 parties, you will see blending, unity tickets, etc.  This would help make the VP a very careful choice.  Plus, I really like the idea of possibly a Pres and VP from different tickets.  In the last election, it could easily have happened.

I liked Kal's (and maybe originally Marokai's but I really remember Kal firing me up about the idea) and promised that I would bring it forward.  It is a reform that takes little and has plenty of fun opportunities in the future.  So please support it.
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Junkie
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E: 1.68, S: -4.35

« Reply #1 on: January 24, 2012, 07:58:09 AM »

still seems pointless and unnecessary

I really like the idea of possibly a Pres and VP from different tickets.  In the last election, it could easily have happened.

I liked Kal's (and maybe originally Marokai's but I really remember Kal firing me up about the idea) and promised that I would bring it forward.  

Right you are. Most "reforms" from Marokai's side are targeted at the JCP, trying to disable or handicap us by any means. It is why my attempts at giving the VP a stronger role are always met with opposition while meaningless changes to the position are pitched as reforms.

This amendment does not improve the VP position. All it does is change election rules because one political apparatus thinks it will be a beneficial rule change. Your assertion that we might have had a Duke/Bacon King administration is also what I'd have expected had the right gotten an opportunity to change our electoral rulebook prior to the October election.

Ticket cohesion is a net positive for the executive branch. Removing this, therefore, is a net negative. If we want to adjust the executive branch to make improvements to game play, let's try filling the Ag vacancy with the Veep or something.

But let us not masquerade here. This is not a "reform" in the sense the public would expect. It's a desperate effort to strengthen the chances of one political group. More so than the voter ID laws Marokai is always bitching about are.

I would just like to point out that one of the main reasons I am supporting this bill is because it will add something to the VP role.  VP will actually have to campaign, actually contribute.  There was at least one occasion where the reason I did not vote for the JCP candidate was the conduct of the VP candidate.  In fact, when I was asked by that President to vote for him, I point blank said my vote for him would be in spite of his VP while my vote against him would be because of his VP.  Had I the choice, I would have voted for the JCP president and the RPP Vice President.

If you want to think that this is only an attack on the JCP, go ahead and think that.  But remember, my main point is that if we have dissolution and go back to 4 to 6 parties, we will have fusion tickets again.  In order to make sure that we don't just have placecard VPs, lets make sure they actually have to campaign.

The reason I support this idea (whoever came up with it, but it is not so original that all the credit or the blame should go to one person) is that it is actually a reform that looks to the future.

Lastly, I could easily have seen a Snowguy/Cinci administration, so stop pretending that my proposal is meant to attack the JCP or help the RPP.  I am pretty bipartisan and do not appreciate the insinuation that all I am trying to do is attack or undermine you, your party, or bgwah.  I really just want to make the game a little more fun.  It is why I support dissolution of the two main parties and why I support this bill that will assist making that reality more competitive and fun.
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Junkie
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E: 1.68, S: -4.35

« Reply #2 on: January 28, 2012, 09:21:54 AM »

I was thinking: If we do decide to elect the Vice President separately from the President, might we also consider electing other cabinet members independently as well? Not something that I would necessarily support, just something that I thought I'd throw out there.
Sounds like a ploy to screw JCPers out of cabinet spots and give them to RPPers, if you ask me.

I'd actually support that, since it is consistent.

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