Should South Jersey split from North Jersey?

[Cashcow]

North Jersey is a malicious empire of crime, overburdened industry, and upper-class rejected New Yorkers who dominate my state with their money and political power. Bandits from Newark ride through Camden city burning down buildings. Because of this, we down south in the Philadelphia suburbs are being oppressed and our separate lifestyle is not fairly represented.

I propose that North Jersey is pushed into the Atlantic Ocean and given to New York. South Jersey will become its own state, and the capital will be Mount Holly.

Also, Delaware is renamed "Philip"

Suggestions?



Poll question 2: Is this post a joke?

[bgwah]

Maybe, because it's the closest to no.

[Keystone Phil]

I believe this was seriously considered at one time.

[Cashcow]

Are you kidding?

I don't really want the state to split, though it annoys me that the northerners have all the power. Also, I would not be opposed to joining Pennsylvania, but that won't happen.

[Keystone Phil]

Are you kidding?

Am I kidding that this was once considered? No, I am not. If memory serves me right, I think this was once brought up and debated. North and South Jersey residents (as you know) are total opposites. There are many problems between the north and south parts of the state. I guess there was a point where enough was enough and someone suggested this.

[MAS117]

Haha the capital would be Mt. Holly.

[Redefeatbush04]

No but if they do this is what the two sections should be composed of:

New New Jersey:
Sussex, Passaic, Bergen, Hudson, Essex, Richmond (NY), Union, Hunterton, Somerset, Morris, Warren, Mercer, Middlesex

New Delaware:

Monmouth, Burlington, Ocean, Camden, Gloucester, Atlantic, Salem, Cumberland, Cape May, the former state of Delaware

[muon2]

If you're going to divide NJ shouldn't metro Philly be put together with downstate NJ?

For example:

Delaware (pop 8.9 M):
    NJ: Hunterton, Warren, Mercer, Monmouth, Burlington, Ocean, Camden, Gloucester, Atlantic, Salem, Cumberland, Cape May
    DE: New Castle
    MD: Cecil
    PA: Delaware, Philadelphia, Bucks, Montgomery, Chester, Northhampton, Lehigh, Berks


And then two states for Metro NYC:

Hudson (10.2 M):
    NJ: Passaic, Bergen, Hudson, Essex, Union, Morris, Somerset, Middlesex
    NY: Richmond, Manhattan, Bronx, Rockland, Westchester
    CT: Fairfield

Long Island (7.4 M):
    NY: Kings, Queens, Nassau, Suffolk

Sussex Co, NJ goes with the central Hudson valley (north of Westchester through the Catskills and Berkshires to metro Albany)

[Keystone Phil]

If you're going to divide NJ shouldn't metro Philly be put together with downstate NJ?

No thank you.   

[muon2]

If you're going to divide NJ shouldn't metro Philly be put together with downstate NJ?

No thank you.   

But it does solve the SE PA vs Appalachian PA issue that I read about on so many other threads here.

[Keystone Phil]

If you're going to divide NJ shouldn't metro Philly be put together with downstate NJ?

No thank you.   

But it does solve the SE PA vs Appalachian PA issue that I read about on so many other threads here.

Well I like being united. Some in SE PA might feel that they are better than people out in the rural areas and rural folks might think they are better than SE PA residents but I certainly don't feel that way.

[Cashcow]

No, don't split Pennsylvania, just give South Jersey to it. Or give North Jersey to New York.

I like Redefeatbush04's setup.

[Starbucks Union Thug HokeyPuck]

Hell no, Jersey's not being split!  But Philly can have Camden and NYC can have Newark if they want!

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

Camden SHOULD be given to PA since it'd increase it's Democraticness by a lot (I think Phil is just opposed to this idea because he'd rather be a part of rural PA than connected to Camden ). Keep Newark though, we can't risk having NJ become a swing state. As for PA, it should annex Buffalo, and have a NY take a bunch of the rural territory between Erie and Scranton (not the cities though of course). That'd fix things pretty well.

[Alcon]

No. Back away from the states. They are fine, really.

Except for Delaware and Rhode Island. They don't really need to be their own states. And the entire midwest can become "Flatsylvania," except for South Dakota, of course.

[Erc]

I propose that North Jersey is pushed into the Atlantic Ocean and given to New York.

Item A I like.

Item B we cannot accept.  You can't just saddle us with the Black Hole of Calcutta because you don't want it.

Give it to Canada.  And give us back Ellis Island.

[Keystone Phil]

(I think Phil is just opposed to this idea because he'd rather be a part of rural PA than connected to Camden ).

Actually even with Camden, south Jersey is very Republican.

[bullmoose88]

then why (excluding Cape May) has it gone democratic in presidential elections and for the forrester lautenberg race?

[Keystone Phil]

then why (excluding Cape May) has it gone democratic in presidential elections and for the forrester lautenberg race?

Ok, ok. Except the Forrester-Lautenberg race and those pesky Presidential elections, South Jersey is Republican. 

[Alcon]

then why (excluding Cape May) has it gone democratic in presidential elections and for the forrester lautenberg race?

Ok, ok. Except the Forrester-Lautenberg race and those pesky Presidential elections, South Jersey is Republican. 

According to my calculations, the southern half of the state (Atlantic, Burlington, Camden, Cape May, Cumberland, Gloucester, Ocean, Somerset, Sussex) went Bush fairly narrowly, by a margin of 49.58%-49.51%. Bush won the area by only 883 votes out of 1,232,878 votes cast.

[Cashcow]

Uh, Alcon, Sussex and Somerset are in far North Jersey. And you didn't count Mercer or Salem.

SJ is moderately liberal. We can just make Ocean County an independent state.

[Alcon]

Uh, Alcon, Sussex and Somerset are in far North Jersey. And you didn't count Mercer or Salem.

SJ is moderately liberal. We can just make Ocean County an independent state.

I may have found the world's least accurate map then. Not only that but it appears to have created "Center County." This is rather odd.

In that case, Kerry took it 50.68%-48.43% without Mercer, which has to be north if Monmouth is - they're baically in the same place. And it looks north of the divide, anyway.

Including Mercer, Kerry won it 52.00%-47.12%.

[Cashcow]

So we're a bit more conservative than the rest of the state. That's disturbing, but Delaware would balance it out a bit.

Could I see the map? Just curious...

[Alcon]

So we're a bit more conservative than the rest of the state. That's disturbing, but Delaware would balance it out a bit.

Could I see the map? Just curious...

I've been looking for it ever since I post it but I forget what Google search string I used. It was a typo of my original search (something like "New Jersey counties") but I'm not sure what.

[Hitchabrut]

OK. New Jersey's division is much more complex than North Jersey and South Jersey. There's the Nothwest, the Northeast, Central, Coastal South, and Inland South. "south Jersey is very vague. In my opinion, NY should get Hudson and Essex, therefore keeping Pennsylvania close and New York landslide Democratic, with New Jersey going Republican.