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Question: Who would you vote for to go against Lincoln?
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Benjamen P. Judah (D-VA)
 
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Jefferson Davis (D-MS)
 
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Robert E. Lee (D-VA)
 
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George McClellan (D-NJ)
 
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Johnathan (Stonewall) Jackson (D-VA)
 
#6
Zebulon Vance (D-NC)
 
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« Reply #25 on: January 06, 2005, 01:16:28 AM »


Longstreet might have bneen the primary opposition to Lincoln.

Well until Gettysburg at least. After that he lost a lot of popularity in the south.
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« Reply #26 on: January 06, 2005, 09:10:39 PM »

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« Reply #27 on: January 06, 2005, 10:04:05 PM »


Longstreet might have bneen the primary opposition to Lincoln.

Well until Gettysburg at least. After that he lost a lot of popularity in the south.

Yeah because after Gettysburg the south became opposed to winning the war they started Longstreet was a genious and was also a master of attack as well as defense (see Chickamauga)
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« Reply #28 on: January 07, 2005, 01:08:31 AM »


Longstreet might have bneen the primary opposition to Lincoln.

Well until Gettysburg at least. After that he lost a lot of popularity in the south.

Yeah because after Gettysburg the south became opposed to winning the war they started Longstreet was a genious and was also a master of attack as well as defense (see Chickamauga)

Opposed to winning the war? Never heard that theory.
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« Reply #29 on: January 07, 2005, 01:23:45 AM »

It's an interesting question, but I would still have to know the course of the war and what, if any, disabilities were placed on the South after the war.

Consider this, if Jackson had "stood like a stone wall" at Bull Run and because of that the battle was lost, he'd never be the hero that he became.  He might have lost his command at that point and be considered to be some kind of a nut for all of his idiosyncrasies.

Likewise, if the slaves had been freed and could vote, they may have voted for the "liberating general,"  McClellen or a Southerner who was at least personally opposed to slavery, Lee.

How the war end and Southern conditions are really what is going to influence the Primary and General Elections of 1864.
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« Reply #30 on: January 07, 2005, 01:31:29 AM »

Likewise, if the slaves had been freed and could vote, they may have voted for the "liberating general,"  McClellen or a Southerner who was at least personally opposed to slavery, Lee.

Jackson was a bigger opponent to slavery then Lee. He actually ran a sunday school for black children and taught them how to read and write.
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« Reply #31 on: January 07, 2005, 02:04:35 AM »

Likewise, if the slaves had been freed and could vote, they may have voted for the "liberating general,"  McClellen or a Southerner who was at least personally opposed to slavery, Lee.

Jackson was a bigger opponent to slavery then Lee. He actually ran a sunday school for black children and taught them how to read and write.

Neither of which, as you've pointed out, necessary mean that someone is opposed to slavery.

You seem equate treating slaves well with opposing slavery.  They do not equal.  Jefferson Davis, from what I've heard, was considered to a "good" master.  He was still a master.

Lee, on the other hand, said, in effect, "I don't want to be a master."  Even if he had not treated his former slaves well (he did), they were still not slaves.

A scenario of what happened in 1860-64 would still be needed to understand this primary race.
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