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Question: Who would you vote for to go against Lincoln?
Benjamen P. Judah (D-VA)   -5 (18.5%)
Jefferson Davis (D-MS)   -0 (0%)
Robert E. Lee (D-VA)   -14 (51.9%)
George McClellan (D-NJ)   -4 (14.8%)
Johnathan (Stonewall) Jackson (D-VA)   -2 (7.4%)
Zebulon Vance (D-NC)   -2 (7.4%)
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« on: January 04, 2005, 01:59:38 am »
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Lets say the south lost the war in 1862. Now lets assume that things had settled down back to normal and the confederate states were already re-admitted. Lets say that former confederates were allowed to run for office. Who would you vote for on this list to match against Lincoln?
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« Reply #1 on: January 04, 2005, 04:23:30 am »
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Judah would send a signal that the Dems are becomming more moderate.  Judah was also quite brilliant and, as an attorney, might have been a match for Lincoln rhetorically.
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I'm not sure if Lee, Jackson and Vance were all Democrats. I guess you checked that, though. Wink
If the war was over by 1862, are you implying that slavery still existed? Also, I don't think any Ex-confederate would have run. None would have stood any chance of winning anything in the non-confederate states (Kentucky excepted), and they must have known that.
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« Reply #3 on: January 04, 2005, 11:33:12 am »
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I would vote for Lincoln, but in the primaries, I would vote for Lee.
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« Reply #4 on: January 04, 2005, 11:52:01 am »
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McClellan of course. The only nontraitor.
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« Reply #5 on: January 04, 2005, 02:00:24 pm »
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I'm not sure if Lee, Jackson and Vance were all Democrats. I guess you checked that, though. Wink

well I doubt they were Republicans.

They would likely be barred from running though.
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« Reply #6 on: January 04, 2005, 02:07:50 pm »
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I'm not sure if Lee, Jackson and Vance were all Democrats. I guess you checked that, though. Wink

well I doubt they were Republicans.

They would likely be barred from running though.
Wasn't Vance a Constitutional Unionist?
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« Reply #7 on: January 04, 2005, 02:09:12 pm »
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Doesn't really matter since by then all other parties are dead. There's only two parties to choose from, and the Confederates certainly aren't going to choose Republican.
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« Reply #8 on: January 04, 2005, 02:12:40 pm »
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No, that was by no means certain.
Republicans won quite a few EVs in the South in 1868, and not all of these votes came from Blacks.
If the war had been much less destructive, there would be much less reason for white Southerners to be exclusively Democrats.
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Well Confederate leaders aren't likely to be Republicans under any circumstance. And the Republican voters up until the end of the Reconstruction were probably pro-Unionists and Confederate sympatheizers were disbarred. Elections in the South up until the Civil Rights Act were basically like elections in Zimbabwe now (how do you think Mugabe keeps getting reelected?), first with the Republicans controlling it, and then the Democrats afterwords.
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« Reply #10 on: January 04, 2005, 03:44:25 pm »
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I believe Vance was a democrat as he was also the senator from NC. Not sure about Lee or Jackson.
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« Reply #11 on: January 04, 2005, 04:03:32 pm »
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what would a map look like?
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You almost have to create a scenario of how the war ends.

Did the Union crush the Confederacy at 1st Bull Run?  Nobody would have ever heard of Jackson.

Did McClellen cut off Lee's retreat at Antietam, entraping the ANV in Maryland?  McClellen would have been a national hero and Lee would have been discredited.

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Did a group of Confederate Army officiers, led by the somewhat abolitionist Lee, coupled with the "average" 5 slave owning Southerners stage a coup d'etat against Davis and the Conferate Congress, and then agree to provide for the gradual abolition of slavery and re-admission to the Union?  Lee would have been a Northern hero for re-establishing the Union.  In the south, he would have been despised by the plantation owners, but could have gotten the votes of the lower classes.
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« Reply #13 on: January 04, 2005, 05:09:09 pm »
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In the primary (if it was open), Lee, in the general, Lincoln.
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General Thomas "Stonewall" Jackson, he was one tough soldier.
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« Reply #15 on: January 04, 2005, 10:01:56 pm »
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Lee, but I'd vote for Lincoln in the general.
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anyway I agree with Lewis and say McClellan. All the other guys deserve nothing more than a musket shot to the head for treason.
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anyway I agree with Lewis and say McClellan. All the other guys deserve nothing more than a musket shot to the head for treason.
I didn't say they deserved to be shot. Nor do I believe that.
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States is right, Vance was a Democrat both before and after the war.
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anyway I agree with Lewis and say McClellan. All the other guys deserve nothing more than a musket shot to the head for treason.
I didn't say they deserved to be shot. Nor do I believe that.

not but you said McClellan was the only non-traitor, which I agree with.
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States where is the James Longstreet (?-SC) option?
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States where is the James Longstreet (?-SC) option?

Shoot I knew I forgot one.
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States is right, Vance was a Democrat both before and after the war.

He told the senator from Rhode Island, right on the floor of the senate. "I could stand on one side of your state and piss across to the other side of it" lol
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States where is the James Longstreet (?-SC) option?

Shoot I knew I forgot one.

Longstreet might have bneen the primary opposition to Lincoln.
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