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Question: Who would you vote for to go against Lincoln?
#1
Benjamen P. Judah (D-VA)
 
#2
Jefferson Davis (D-MS)
 
#3
Robert E. Lee (D-VA)
 
#4
George McClellan (D-NJ)
 
#5
Johnathan (Stonewall) Jackson (D-VA)
 
#6
Zebulon Vance (D-NC)
 
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Total Voters: 27

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J. J.
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« on: January 04, 2005, 04:23:30 AM »

Judah would send a signal that the Dems are becomming more moderate.  Judah was also quite brilliant and, as an attorney, might have been a match for Lincoln rhetorically.
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« Reply #1 on: January 04, 2005, 04:12:56 PM »

You almost have to create a scenario of how the war ends.

Did the Union crush the Confederacy at 1st Bull Run?  Nobody would have ever heard of Jackson.

Did McClellen cut off Lee's retreat at Antietam, entraping the ANV in Maryland?  McClellen would have been a national hero and Lee would have been discredited.

Here's one.  

Did a group of Confederate Army officiers, led by the somewhat abolitionist Lee, coupled with the "average" 5 slave owning Southerners stage a coup d'etat against Davis and the Conferate Congress, and then agree to provide for the gradual abolition of slavery and re-admission to the Union?  Lee would have been a Northern hero for re-establishing the Union.  In the south, he would have been despised by the plantation owners, but could have gotten the votes of the lower classes.
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J. J.
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« Reply #2 on: January 05, 2005, 10:49:19 PM »


Longstreet might have bneen the primary opposition to Lincoln.
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J. J.
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« Reply #3 on: January 07, 2005, 01:23:45 AM »

It's an interesting question, but I would still have to know the course of the war and what, if any, disabilities were placed on the South after the war.

Consider this, if Jackson had "stood like a stone wall" at Bull Run and because of that the battle was lost, he'd never be the hero that he became.  He might have lost his command at that point and be considered to be some kind of a nut for all of his idiosyncrasies.

Likewise, if the slaves had been freed and could vote, they may have voted for the "liberating general,"  McClellen or a Southerner who was at least personally opposed to slavery, Lee.

How the war end and Southern conditions are really what is going to influence the Primary and General Elections of 1864.
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« Reply #4 on: January 07, 2005, 02:04:35 AM »

Likewise, if the slaves had been freed and could vote, they may have voted for the "liberating general,"  McClellen or a Southerner who was at least personally opposed to slavery, Lee.

Jackson was a bigger opponent to slavery then Lee. He actually ran a sunday school for black children and taught them how to read and write.

Neither of which, as you've pointed out, necessary mean that someone is opposed to slavery.

You seem equate treating slaves well with opposing slavery.  They do not equal.  Jefferson Davis, from what I've heard, was considered to a "good" master.  He was still a master.

Lee, on the other hand, said, in effect, "I don't want to be a master."  Even if he had not treated his former slaves well (he did), they were still not slaves.

A scenario of what happened in 1860-64 would still be needed to understand this primary race.
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