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« Reply #625 on: September 06, 2014, 12:24:08 am »
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Is peace more important than a decent government that respects human rights?

That's not what America is founded on.
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« Reply #626 on: September 06, 2014, 02:18:53 am »
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Is peace more important than a decent government that respects human rights?

That's not what America is founded on.

"sign"... out of respect to all Americans, who are not this thick, I will not say what I think USA was founded on.
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« Reply #627 on: September 06, 2014, 09:41:54 am »
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In the last edition of Foreign Affairs American Middle East expert and former CIA analyst Kenneth Pollack suggests that the US should build a brand new Syrian army to fight both IS and the Assad regime. He claims that while it would cost over 100 billion dollars it would still be better than the alternativ. Thoughts?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kenneth_M._Pollack
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« Reply #628 on: September 06, 2014, 11:51:58 am »
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In the last edition of Foreign Affairs American Middle East expert and former CIA analyst Kenneth Pollack suggests that the US should build a brand new Syrian army to fight both IS and the Assad regime. He claims that while it would cost over 100 billion dollars it would still be better than the alternative. Thoughts?

Well, the obvious thought is that it would only work if we had the complete cooperation of Turkey.  (Jordan would also be a possibility, but I can't see Jordan being willing to take the risk if this goes badly or the US loses interest before it is done.)
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« Reply #629 on: September 06, 2014, 12:39:17 pm »
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In the last edition of Foreign Affairs American Middle East expert and former CIA analyst Kenneth Pollack suggests that the US should build a brand new Syrian army to fight both IS and the Assad regime. He claims that while it would cost over 100 billion dollars it would still be better than the alternativ. Thoughts?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kenneth_M._Pollack


I think this may be one of the worst ideas suggested, unless it's because USA plan to inset a brutal military junta in Syria.

1: It's not like USA have been very successful at building armies in the area.
2: This army will lack any democratic oversight.
3: This army will lack any popular support in Syria.
4: This army will lack any base in Syria, and will fundamental be a bunch of mercenaries funded by USA.
5: The recruitment base of these will be exile Syrians and Syrian refugees, the first group seem to lack any connection to the Syrian situation and the second group are in no way representative for the general Syrian population.

In short unless this is a plan for USA to set up their own military dictator, this suggestion seem like a disaster. The only way I could see this being even somewhat useful, is if this force are used in Iraq and used to conquer ISIS territory first in Iraq and later in eastern Syria. Of course the way USA would use such a force would be in southern Syria at the Jordanian border, where they serve to weaken first the less terrible Islamist and later the SAA, resulting in ISIS doing even better.

So in my eyes, he's suggesting using 100 billion dollars to help ISIS taking over most of Syria.
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« Reply #630 on: September 06, 2014, 12:56:30 pm »
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I don't see why we should consider this after what happened when we tried that in Iraq.
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« Reply #631 on: September 07, 2014, 10:02:37 pm »
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Is peace more important than a decent government that respects human rights?

That's not what America is founded on.

America wasn't founded on forcing other countries to respect human rights.

Go back to your peanut farm, Jimmy Carter.
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« Reply #632 on: September 10, 2014, 03:56:15 am »
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Obama is apparently going to ask Congress for authority for him to send arms to the Free Syrian Army:

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« Reply #633 on: September 11, 2014, 09:49:25 pm »
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The Fiji UN force has been released.  In good health.
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« Reply #634 on: September 11, 2014, 10:52:21 pm »
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The Fiji UN force has been released.  In good health.

Well, that's good news.
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« Reply #635 on: September 11, 2014, 11:13:46 pm »
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Yep.  Not sure why their plight wasn't a bigger news story, but I understand some chick in England is pregnant....
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« Reply #636 on: September 11, 2014, 11:23:45 pm »
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Yep.  Not sure why their plight wasn't a bigger news story, but I understand some chick in England is pregnant....

Fiji is a small, remote and unimportant country.
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« Reply #637 on: September 12, 2014, 12:00:45 am »
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Sure, but they were wearing light blue helmets at the time.
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« Reply #638 on: September 12, 2014, 12:04:07 am »
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Yep.  Not sure why their plight wasn't a bigger news story, but I understand some chick in England is pregnant....

Fiji is a small, remote and unimportant country.

And they were working for the even less important UN.
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« Reply #639 on: September 12, 2014, 12:55:35 pm »
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Can't wait for the blowback from Obama's new half-billion $$$ plan to arm the "moderate" Syrians!
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