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« on: April 23, 2014, 10:42:57 am »
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http://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/24/world/middleeast/palestinian-factions-announce-deal-on-unity-government.html?hp&_r=0

So it seems the West Bank (well the small bits of it) and the Gaza Strip are to be reunited under one regime. 6 months of interim government followed by free elections throughout the WB and Gaza.

Interesting conundrum for the Israeli right wing, they kept saying Abbas is not a legitimate partner because he does not control Gaza and has no legitimacy to his rule. Now he will have both legitimacy and sovereignty (so called) over Gaza, I expect a new line for refusing negotiation to be drawn soon.
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« Reply #1 on: April 23, 2014, 10:47:08 am »
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If there are elections, I doubt Abbas will remain in power. Even if he's still president, a new parliament would likely give his powers to a new PM.
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« Reply #2 on: April 23, 2014, 11:33:02 am »
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And it remains to be seen if this deal will fall apart as others have before.
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« Reply #3 on: April 23, 2014, 11:46:21 am »
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My suspicion is that Hamas will be the winners in the election
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Interesting conundrum for the Israeli right wing, they kept saying Abbas is not a legitimate partner because he does not control Gaza and has no legitimacy to his rule. Now he will have both legitimacy and sovereignty (so called) over Gaza, I expect a new line for refusing negotiation to be drawn soon.

I'm pretty sure the Israeli Right would prefer to negotiate with Abbas than Hamas...


And it remains to be seen if this deal will fall apart as others have before.
It remains to be seen if Israel allows the "elections" to occur... Don't be surprised to see a full-scale invaision of the West Bank and Gaza before then.
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« Reply #4 on: April 23, 2014, 12:12:38 pm »
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And it remains to be seen if this deal will fall apart as others have before.
It remains to be seen if Israel allows the "elections" to occur... Don't be surprised to see a full-scale invasion of the West Bank and Gaza before then.
Oh I don't doubt that Israel will try to intervene, but I expect them to attempt something subtler and less expensive than a full scale invasion unless Israel decides to align itself with Putin instead of Obama.
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« Reply #5 on: April 23, 2014, 03:23:45 pm »
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And it remains to be seen if this deal will fall apart as others have before.
It remains to be seen if Israel allows the "elections" to occur... Don't be surprised to see a full-scale invasion of the West Bank and Gaza before then.
Oh I don't doubt that Israel will try to intervene, but I expect them to attempt something subtler and less expensive than a full scale invasion unless Israel decides to align itself with Putin instead of Obama.

You say that as a joke, but Israel has been pretty much neutral in most of the international crises regarding Russia and the Israeli right (which has a lot of Russian Jews) has often been friendly towards Moscow in recent years.
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I don't doubt that Israel will try to intervene, but I expect them to attempt something subtler and less expensive than a full scale invasion unless Israel decides to align itself with Putin instead of Obama.
You say that as a joke, but Israel has been pretty much neutral in most of the international crises regarding Russia and the Israeli right (which has a lot of Russian Jews) has often been friendly towards Moscow in recent years.
Yeah, it was intended as a serious joke all along.  Still, I think even the most put upon Zionist would recognize that Putinstan would stab Israel in the back without a moment's hesitation if Putin thought it served his interests whereas Artsot Habrit, while it at times can be exasperating to them, is not likely to leave its 51st State in the lurch when needed.
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« Reply #7 on: April 23, 2014, 05:44:01 pm »
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Hamas will control the West Bank in six months. The peace process is entirely over now. Batten down the hatches.
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« Reply #8 on: April 23, 2014, 05:51:59 pm »
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Hamas will control the West Bank in six months. The peace process is entirely over now. Batten down the hatches.

Indeed and Israel bears the entire blame for that.
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« Reply #9 on: April 23, 2014, 08:09:28 pm »
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Hamas will control the West Bank in six months. The peace process is entirely over now. Batten down the hatches.

The peace process has been dead for years.
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« Reply #10 on: April 23, 2014, 08:46:39 pm »
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Hamas will control the West Bank in six months. The peace process is entirely over now. Batten down the hatches.

Indeed and Israel bears the entire blame for that.

If the genocidal terror cult of Hamas wasn't bound and determined to kill every last Jew in Israel, things might be different.
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« Reply #11 on: April 23, 2014, 11:11:36 pm »
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Hamas will control the West Bank in six months. The peace process is entirely over now. Batten down the hatches.

Indeed and Israel bears the entire blame for that.

If the genocidal terror cult of Hamas wasn't bound and determined to kill every last Jew in Israel, things might be different.

For ten years, Abbas has been president. For ten years, Israel has had the option of negotiating with a Palestinian leader who has been more accommodating to them than any who came before him and any who will come after him.

And they stalled and hemmed and hawed and moved goalposts and their window of opportunity is closing.

If the suicide bombs start happening again, I will not have an ounce of sympathy for Israel. At that point, they will have brought it on themselves.
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« Reply #12 on: April 23, 2014, 11:16:56 pm »
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Hamas will control the West Bank in six months. The peace process is entirely over now. Batten down the hatches.

Indeed and Israel bears the entire blame for that.

If the genocidal terror cult of Hamas wasn't bound and determined to kill every last Jew in Israel, things might be different.

And if the Zionists weren't bound and determined to push the Arabs off their land, things might be different.  However, playing the blame game won't get the situation any closer to a solution.  It may well get worse for the next little bit, but the apparent desire of the Zionists for the Palestinians to roll over and be good obedient poodles in the kennels set aside for them was never going to work.  Not enough poodles.  I don't know what the solution is, but the existing approach certainly was not a stable solution and it never could have been.
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« Reply #13 on: April 23, 2014, 11:17:58 pm »
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If the suicide bombs start happening again, I will not have an ounce of sympathy for Israel.
Stay classy anti-Zionist.
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« Reply #14 on: April 23, 2014, 11:21:22 pm »
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Stay classy anti-Zionist.

As usual, Israel lovers calls any people blaming Israel for the failure of negiociations.
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« Reply #15 on: April 23, 2014, 11:35:18 pm »
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Stay classy anti-Zionist.

As usual, Israel lovers calls any people blaming Israel for the failure of negiociations.
The great country of Israel, offering shelter to violent anti-gay Hasidic offenders?

Well, to be fair, I am an anti-Zionist because Zionism is an inherently racist ideology. I'm not, however, an anti-Semite and abhor people who are (which would include a sizable chunk of Hamas, I'm sure).
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Abbas wasn't that moderate. His one constant demand for the past decade has been to release more and more unrepentant (intentional) child murderers.

Not that Israel couldn't have played the bigger man more often. They could have. It's not like the Palestinians have ever behaved rationally though.
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« Reply #17 on: Today at 12:06:21 am »
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Abbas wasn't that moderate. His one constant demand for the past decade has been to release more and more unrepentant (intentional) child murderers.

It's normal.
Peace in Northern Ireland included freedom for terrorists, too. Peace has a price, and both sides must pay it.
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« Reply #18 on: Today at 12:13:37 am »
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Abbas wasn't that moderate. His one constant demand for the past decade has been to release more and more unrepentant (intentional) child murderers.

It's normal.
Peace in Northern Ireland included freedom for terrorists, too. Peace has a price, and both sides must pay it.

Can you name one instance of a Loyalist or Republican who intentionally targeted civilian children who was released as part of the peace process?
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Abbas wasn't that moderate. His one constant demand for the past decade has been to release more and more unrepentant (intentional) child murderers.

It's normal.
Peace in Northern Ireland included freedom for terrorists, too. Peace has a price, and both sides must pay it.

Can you name one instance of a Loyalist or Republican who intentionally targeted civilian children who was released as part of the peace process?

The attack on Lord Mountbatten boat. A crew member of 15 and his grandson of 14 were killed (around Lord Mountbatten and his mother-in-law). Bomb was placed by Thomas McMahon, sentenced to life in 1979, freed in 1998 after Good Friday Agreement.

On Bloody Sunday, 7 teenagers were killed, but obviously the shooters weren't freed, as they were never prosecuted.

I'm sure there is better examples.
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« Reply #20 on: Today at 05:21:13 am »
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Hamas will control the West Bank in six months. The peace process is entirely over now. Batten down the hatches.
I doubt it, I even think they will lose the election in Gaza to the IJ and Fatah
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« Reply #21 on: Today at 11:15:36 am »
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If the suicide bombs start happening again, I will not have an ounce of sympathy for Israel. At that point, they will have brought it on themselves.

The suicide bombs won't happen... the wall has stopped them from coming in and the rocket attacks are being blunted by Iron Dome. The Palestinian terrorists are running out of weapons.
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