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« Reply #675 on: April 08, 2014, 01:56:15 pm »
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What's the point of even having regions if you have only 10 of them for a country with 60M inhabitants?
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« Reply #676 on: April 08, 2014, 05:01:02 pm »
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If you make them about even you get administrative units with a population like Denmark or Norway and thats a pretty efficient administrative size. From a democratic POV it makes less sense. Thirty would be about right for France IMO.
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« Reply #677 on: April 08, 2014, 07:31:19 pm »
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If you make them about even you get administrative units with a population like Denmark or Norway and thats a pretty efficient administrative size. From a democratic POV it makes less sense. Thirty would be about right for France IMO.

Well, we have 22 right now, halving them would make the average region more populous than Denmark as a whole. Tongue

Anyway, here's an alternative regions map I once drew, trying to both reduce variation in population and correct a few historical aberrations. That ends up with 20 regions for metropolitan France.


1. Īle-de-France
2. Grand Paris
3. Lyonnais


I wasn't entirely sure about a few names, so if some have alternative proposals I'd be glad to hear them. Wink
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« Reply #678 on: April 09, 2014, 09:49:18 am »
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If you make them about even you get administrative units with a population like Denmark or Norway and thats a pretty efficient administrative size. From a democratic POV it makes less sense. Thirty would be about right for France IMO.

Well, we have 22 right now, halving them would make the average region more populous than Denmark as a whole. Tongue
Anyway, here's an alternative regions map I once drew, trying to both reduce variation in population and correct a few historical aberrations. That ends up with 20 regions for metropolitan France.


1. Īle-de-France
2. Grand Paris
3. Lyonnais


I wasn't entirely sure about a few names, so if some have alternative proposals I'd be glad to hear them. Wink

Not by much (less than 10% difference, so doesnt matter) - which was my point. Having regions the size of small nation states is a pretty efficient size.

Nice map. Also looks OK identity wise (from what I know of France).
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« Reply #679 on: April 09, 2014, 10:46:55 am »
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The government was completed by secretaries of state:

Parliamentary relations: Jean-Marie Le Guen
International trade, tourism development and French citizens abroad: Fleur Pellerin (under Fabius, finally)
European affairs: Harlem Désir (PS leader)
International development and Francophonie: Annick Girardin (PRG/Saint-Pierre-et-Miquelon!)
Transport, sea and fisheries: Frédéric Cuvillier (under Ségo, best of luck dude)
Higher education and research: Geneviève Fioraso
Budget: Christian Eckert
Digital technologies: Axelle Lemaire (PS deputy for the UK/Scandinavia/Baltics, born in Ottawa!)
Commerce, artisanat, consumption, 'économie sociale et solidaire': Valérie Fourneyron
Family and seniors: Laurence Rossignol
Handicapped persons and fight against exclusion: Ségolène Neuville
Veterans and remembrance (lol!): Kader Arif
Sports: Thierry Braillard (PRG deputy, ally of Lyon mayor Gérard Collomb, elected with Collomb's support against an EELV-PS candidate in 2012)
Territorial reform: André Vallini

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« Reply #680 on: April 15, 2014, 03:07:08 am »
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If you make them about even you get administrative units with a population like Denmark or Norway and thats a pretty efficient administrative size. From a democratic POV it makes less sense. Thirty would be about right for France IMO.

Well, we have 22 right now, halving them would make the average region more populous than Denmark as a whole. Tongue

Anyway, here's an alternative regions map I once drew, trying to both reduce variation in population and correct a few historical aberrations. That ends up with 20 regions for metropolitan France.


1. Īle-de-France
2. Grand Paris
3. Lyonnais


I wasn't entirely sure about a few names, so if some have alternative proposals I'd be glad to hear them. Wink
Not bad. Not really sure why you would put Seine-et-Marne in Picardie. Picardie should be dissolved anyway. Give Somme to NPDC, Aisne to Champagne-Ardenne, and Oise to a greater Īle-de-France. Not ok with your Seine and Seine-et-Oise thingy.
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« Reply #681 on: April 15, 2014, 11:10:50 am »
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LOL Flanby. 83% disapproval, wouldn't even make the runoff with Sarko and Panzergirl. 29% Sarko, 23% Panzergirl, 19% Flanby in Round 1. 67/33 Sarko/Panzergirl in the runoff, 54/46 Flanby/Panzergirl.
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« Reply #682 on: April 15, 2014, 12:29:59 pm »
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The correct nickname for Sarkozy is Poison Dwarf.
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« Reply #683 on: April 15, 2014, 12:33:19 pm »
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Guys. Do you imagine how bad a Panzergirl victory would be?
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« Reply #684 on: April 15, 2014, 03:18:12 pm »
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Not bad. Not really sure why you would put Seine-et-Marne in Picardie. Picardie should be dissolved anyway. Give Somme to NPDC, Aisne to Champagne-Ardenne, and Oise to a greater Īle-de-France. Not ok with your Seine and Seine-et-Oise thingy.

What's wrong with it? Considering IdF is so big, it would make sense to split it into a core Paris agglomeration and the broader Parisian region. Both for the sake of population balance and to create a serious structure for the much awaited "Grand Paris".

Also, why do you hate Picardie? Sad
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« Reply #685 on: April 15, 2014, 05:03:37 pm »
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Regionalism is extremely boring and hopefully it will be destroyed.
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« Reply #686 on: April 16, 2014, 10:29:54 am »
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Regionalism is extremely boring and hopefully it will be destroyed.

'Boring' is an odd word for it. What, specifically, do you mean by regionalism, and in what ways, specifically, do you find it objectionable?
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« Reply #687 on: April 18, 2014, 08:59:10 am »
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Flanby says he would have no reason to run in 2017 if unemployment remains this high. I assume that's a figure of speech.
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