UK General Discussion

[Supersonic]

https://www.change.org/en-GB/petitions/iain-duncan-smith-iain-duncan-smith-to-live-on-53-a-week

My local young conservative branch are doing this for a week, living on £53 that is. Should be fun, and not too hard.

It'll be like a jolly old camping trip.

Except no champagne.

I spend about 50 pounds a week some weeks.

Yeah, £55 or so is my weekly budget. Though I am a student.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

It's not particularly difficult to live off a small amount of money on a short term basis, particularly if you have other resources to draw on. If it's longer term and if you don't have other resources, then things are rather difficult. Not just in terms of the general gloom (which is awful; throughout this I am writing here from personal - past - experience), but what happens when you're hit by some circumstance or other that requires you to spend a considerable amount of money (and this is ultimately unavoidable). Because then you're fycked. Frankly, it is not very funny, not very funny at all, and anyone who thinks otherwise deserves a good hiding and then some.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

What is noxious, in general, is the creeping return of Less Eligibility in public discourse and as an official defence for ethically dubious public policy.

[afleitch]

It's worth saying this now; if/when Labour get back in power, they won't go back to how things were. This is a perfect opportunity for them.

[Blue3]

So, is Parliament going to pass that royalty bill that says the firstborn, regardless of gender, will become monarch? Kate is due in just a few months, and all the Commonwealth countries have to pass the changes too.

Also, is Parliament going to pass Gay Marriage anytime soon?

[minionofmidas]

It's not particularly difficult to live off a small amount of money on a short term basis, particularly if you have other resources to draw on. If it's longer term and if you don't have other resources, then things are rather difficult. Not just in terms of the general gloom (which is awful; throughout this I am writing here from personal - past - experience), but what happens when you're hit by some circumstance or other that requires you to spend a considerable amount of money (and this is ultimately unavoidable). Because then you're fycked. Frankly, it is not very funny, not very funny at all, and anyone who thinks otherwise deserves a good hiding and then some.

This.

It's worth saying this now; if/when Labour get back in power, they won't go back to how things were. This is a perfect opportunity for them.

And this.

[Leftbehind]

It's not particularly difficult to live off a small amount of money on a short term basis, particularly if you have other resources to draw on. If it's longer term and if you don't have other resources, then things are rather difficult. Not just in terms of the general gloom (which is awful; throughout this I am writing here from personal - past - experience), but what happens when you're hit by some circumstance or other that requires you to spend a considerable amount of money (and this is ultimately unavoidable). Because then you're fycked. Frankly, it is not very funny, not very funny at all, and anyone who thinks otherwise deserves a good hiding and then some.

This.

It's worth saying this now; if/when Labour get back in power, they won't go back to how things were. This is a perfect opportunity for them.

And this.

What is noxious, in general, is the creeping return of Less Eligibility in public discourse and as an official defence for ethically dubious public policy.

And this.

[You kip if you want to...]

Wow.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

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[Supersonic]

So, is Parliament going to pass that royalty bill that says the firstborn, regardless of gender, will become monarch? Kate is due in just a few months, and all the Commonwealth countries have to pass the changes too.

Also, is Parliament going to pass Gay Marriage anytime soon?

I thought the first had already been passed. If not, it will do. The changes will take ages since, as you mentioned, all the Commonwealth countries need to enact the same law.

Yeah, the bill ended the Committee stage on the 4th of March, although I'm not sure when they're next taking it up. Soon definitely.

Edit: Oh, just seen the Mail frontpage. Twitter lefties were in uproar about that earlier. Though my answer to this, as with most things in newspapers is: 'if you don't like it, don't read it'.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

The issue is the poisoning of discourse, which affects even those of us who regard the Daily Mail as a fundamentally evil organ used to play a counterpoint of hate and self-loathing.

[You kip if you want to...]

'if you don't like it, don't read it'.

That's not the point.

[Supersonic]

The issue is the poisoning of discourse, which affects even those of us who regard the Daily Mail as a fundamentally evil organ used to play a counterpoint of hate and self-loathing.

I could say the same about the Guardian and that paper badgering on about the Bedroom Tax though, and that for sure, has influenced the political discourse.

'if you don't like it, don't read it'.

That's not the point.

Why not?

[Lurker]

Is that an actual Daily Mail headline?? Pretty distasteful, even by Maily standards.
Reminds me of the brilliant Daily Mail song: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5eBT6OSr1TI

[Marokai Backbeat]

Wow.

[image-I-refuse-to-show-again]

Repulsive.

[morgieb]

Who's actually surprised, lol?

[You kip if you want to...]

The issue is the poisoning of discourse, which affects even those of us who regard the Daily Mail as a fundamentally evil organ used to play a counterpoint of hate and self-loathing.

I could say the same about the Guardian and that paper badgering on about the Bedroom Tax though, and that for sure, has influenced the political discourse.
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The Guardian have never presented murder as the result of the welfare state, or the result of the free market for that matter.

[Goodwin]

[You kip if you want to...]

[Supersonic]

I have to say, all this bluster is quite hilarious. Free promotion for the Mail.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-berkshire-22017567

[Leftbehind]

'if you don't like it, don't read it'.

That's not the point.

Why not?

Same way that if you don't like the celebrating Thatcher's death t-shirts, you don't buy them? Except the whining about that was top of the agenda for most Tories, and they weren't the largest selling newspapers in the country (the Sun themselves described it as 'state-subsidised manslaughter') but a stall at a union conference.

It's funny how laissez-faire the Right become when it suits them.

[Goodwin]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-berkshire-22017567

MP Rob Wilson - the parliament troll.

[Supersonic]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-berkshire-22017567

MP Rob Wilson - the parliament troll.

Haha, that's jokes. Michael Fabricant said on Twitter that this was apparently 'a prank'.

'if you don't like it, don't read it'.

That's not the point.

Why not?

Same way that if you don't like the celebrating Thatcher's death t-shirts, you don't buy them? Except the whining about that was top of the agenda for most Tories, and they weren't the largest selling newspapers in the country (the Sun themselves described it as 'state-subsidised manslaughter') but a stall at a union conference.

It's funny how laissez-faire the Right become when it suits them.

I don't give a McDonalds Big Mac if you buy a shirt celebrating Thatcher's death. Yeah, I'll think it's distasteful but I won't go all 'THIS IS OUT OF ORDAAA EVUL LEFTISTS!!11' on you. I will seethe and plot your electoral doom.

[Goodwin]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2013/apr/04/north-korea-trident-david-cameron

"North Korea threat means we still need Trident Nuclear deterrent, says PM"