UK General Discussion

[YL]

Interesting to see the polling in the next couple of days.

YouGov polls since Sunday (dates are those of the fieldwork):
19/20 Sept: Lab 39 Con 33 LD 14 UKIP 9
22/23 Sept: Lab 40 Con 32 UKIP 12 LD 10
23/24 Sept: Lab 39 Con 34 LD 10 UKIP 10
24/25 Sept: Lab 41 Con 32 UKIP 11 LD 8

In the last one (released this morning) Miliband's figure in the "best Prime Minister" question is up from 21% the last time the question was asked (two weeks ago) to 26%, coming from Don't Knows.  (Cameron is on 35% and Clegg on 5%, both pretty much unchanged.)  He does get the best score among 2010 Lib Dem voters, though only on 26% (19% for Cameron and 16% for Clegg).

25/26 Sept: Lab 40 Con 33 UKIP 11 LD 9

Things do seem to have picked up a bit for Labour (though there must be some suspicion that last week's two bad polls for them were just outliers) but there's nothing very dramatic.

[Leftbehind]

Yeah. YouGov ran a Con/UKIP hypothetical which is pretty telling.

Normal VI:
40% Lab
33% Con
11% UKIP
9% Lib
6% Oth

Hypothetical alliance:
45% Lab
35% Con/UKIP
11% Lib
9% Oth

[Filuwaúrdjan]

particularly at the time that local authorities have ambition and have approaches (such as refurbishing old stock and replacing post-war housing) that don't require planning changes to get them off the ground, but money.

Won't work; never works. At least not on its own.

I do agree that caution is not always a bad thing and that any proposals for a major house building drive would need to be thought through as carefully as possible (as was the case in the 40s but not the 50s or 60s), but a fundamental change of direction is sorely needed. Housing policy has been shortsighted since 1970 and actively disastrous since 1979; political discourse has to change before policy does (we have a housing crisis, but that's not enough to cause change on its own), and if it takes loose language, then it takes loose language...

[Leftbehind]

Stumbled across this Youtube. Comprehensively defeated so many right-wing arguments better than I've seen any ministers do, such a waste of talent.

lol perhaps not for long, she was at the Labour conference arguing for socialism just before the 1 min mark. I figured out who she reminds me of: Victoria Coren.

[Leftbehind]

The latest Sunday Times YG has a bit of a bounce for Labour/Miliband, with all but voting for 16 reasonably popular.

42% Lab
31% Con
13% UKIP
  9% Lib
  6% Oth

Both Tories and UKIP are split down the middle on whether there should be a pact, and it would be self-defeating (as evidenced above) anyway. 

[You kip if you want to...]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2435751/GEOFFREY-LEVY-SATURDAY-ESSAY-Red-Eds-pledge-bring-socialism-homage-Marxist-father.html

Vile.

[Leftbehind]

Why bother posting it? Leftists do the DM a tremendous service every time they rush to post their sh**t in disgust.

[Marokai Backbeat]

Indeed. Though, it is quite worthy of disgust.

[Leftbehind]

They don't call it the Daily Heil for nothing.

[You kip if you want to...]

To be fair, I only posted it because EdM himself tweeted about it.

[Leftbehind]

lol in that case I don't think tremendous is quite strong enough.

[dead0man]

Remember when it was just the olds and Fundies that were for censorship?  Now student unions are the bad guys. (**warning** barely clothed woman at link **warning**)

...kids these days...

[Leftbehind]

Remember when it was just the olds and Fundies that were for censorship?  Now student unions are the bad guys. (**warning** barely clothed woman at link **warning**)

...kids these days...

Unis and left-wingers have been campaigning against and boycotting The Sun for an age now - and rightly so.

[You kip if you want to...]

Osborne set to announce that the long term unemployed will have to go to the Job Centre every day and be seen to be looking for work, potentially all day. That or do community work.

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[Leftbehind]

Guillotine.

So we won't be seeing the back of the leadership debates, sadly, now Cameron's confirmed his presence. Not only am I pissed off at Labour for pressing the issue with these (and in doing so keeping them alive), but it doesn't even make sense - two coalition partners ganging up on an already awkward-sounding Ed, sounds like a f**king stupid move.

[dead0man]

Remember when it was just the olds and Fundies that were for censorship?  Now student unions are the bad guys. (**warning** barely clothed woman at link **warning**)

...kids these days...

Unis and left-wingers have been campaigning against and boycotting The Sun for an age now - and rightly so.

Indeed, I shouldn't be surprised when left wingers want to censorship things.  It's got to be a little disheartening to the less authoritarian liberal though.

[freefair]

I actually really like my (80% female) student union, they're quite socially liberal and Blurred Lines has been played in their disco. Also they actually care about  and care for the students here, unlike others which are used massage future political careers. I know one of them likes Boris Johnson at least on a personal level. Though that said here even the heads of campus Labour and Tories are actually quite friendly with eachother.
Awesome place.

[traininthedistance]

The first problem Labour have is planning; Labour have floated the relaxation of planning laws and the abilities of some towns/cities to be given a ‘right to grow’ beyond their own boundaries overriding neighbouring towns and authorities. Planning laws are there for a reason, a ‘free for all’ for the housing sector is not conducive to maintaining respect for the green belt and the urban footprint.

Wait, Labour's really proposing that?  Horrifying.

(Yes, this of all things is the sort of thing that I'd get up in arms about.)

[Leftbehind]

Remember when it was just the olds and Fundies that were for censorship?  Now student unions are the bad guys. (**warning** barely clothed woman at link **warning**)

...kids these days...

Unis and left-wingers have been campaigning against and boycotting The Sun for an age now - and rightly so.

Indeed, I shouldn't be surprised when left wingers want to censorship things.  It's got to be a little disheartening to the less authoritarian liberal though.

Meh show me a liberal, and I'll find something they want to censor. Same with 'libertarian' right-wingers as well.

[dead0man]

Meh show me a liberal, and I'll find something they want to censor.

maybe

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Really?....what do I want to censor?

[Leftbehind]

I have no idea, but I'd bet nudity in some form.

[You kip if you want to...]

Y'know what grates on me? Chancellors of either party who constantly use fuel duty freezes as a tool for a nice headline.

[Leftbehind]

Too generous, if anything.

[DC Al Fine]

Equivalents for Labour/LibDems/UKIP?

[dead0man]

I have no idea, but I'd bet nudity in some form.

I'd prefer a person not have sex at the local grade school playground during school hours, past that I don't really care too much about nudity and think we're too prudish a culture.  Especially when concerning our popular art, whatever that may include.

But even if I'm against nudity on film I'd still be a better human being than somebody that wants to ban a newspaper for printing politics they disagree with.