Home
2012
Election Results
Election Info
Weblog
Wiki
Search
Email
Site Info
Store
Welcome,
Guest
. Please
login
or
register
.
Did you miss your
activation email?
May 25, 2013, 03:32:29 pm
News:
Cast your ballot in the 2012 Mock Election!
Atlas Forum
General Politics
Economics
(Moderator:
ag
)
Government: Good or Bad?
« previous
next »
Pages:
[
1
]
Poll
Question:
Is government in a free market economy good or bad?
Government is bad. Get it out of the way.
10 (43.5%)
Government is good.
13 (56.5%)
Show Pie Chart
Total Voters: 23
Author
Topic: Government: Good or Bad? (Read 542 times)
futurepres
Full Member
Posts: 113
Political Matrix
E: 0.97, S: -5.13
Government: Good or Bad?
«
on:
January 28, 2012, 01:22:12 am »
Title says it all
Logged
Politico
YaBB God
Posts: 4890
Re: Government: Good or Bad?
«
Reply #1 on:
January 28, 2012, 02:12:26 am »
I agree with Adam Smith: The proper role of government is to provide national defense, law/order, and basic infrastructure. Whenever possible, these should be provided at the local/state level rather than the federal level since there is more accountability with less centrality. From my perspective, the basic infrastructure provision should only be goods/services with large positive spillover effects that markets do not really provide well, if at all (e.g., public highways, some natural monopolies specifically in utilities, certain areas of scientific/technological research, etc.).
I believe the only goals of monetary policy should be price stability with an implicit nominal anchor of 2-3% targeted inflation, and ensuring the stability of the financial system. Fiscal policy can help stimulate demand, but it is hard to trust that politicians/bureaucrats will spend taxes and borrowed funds properly (i.e., on proper basic infrastructure projects along with national defense). There is a reason why most politicians/bureaucrats did not get their start in business (i.e., the private sector), so keep that in mind the next time somebody suggests giving them control over more and more resources (whether it is Newt Gingrich speaking on behalf of colonizing the moon and putting mirrors into outer space, or Bernie Sanders calling for the nationalization of something or other).
With regards to the "efficiency/equity trade-off," the larger the economic pie is the larger the slice each one of us can obtain. Furthermore, a growing economy is a positive-sum game: Everybody can gain more without it necessarily being at the expense of somebody else. In comparison, when you have a stagnant economy, perhaps in the case of excessive government interference in the economy in the name of "equity," the economy becomes a sort of zero-sum game: You can only gain more at the expense of somebody else. You have to consider the deadweight losses and perverse incentives incurred whenever you argue in favor of a "tax-and-spend" course of action.
Results matter. Good intentions do not matter if they lead to poor results.
«
Last Edit: January 28, 2012, 02:35:15 am by Politico
»
Logged
"Government is the great fiction through which everybody endeavors to live at the expense of everybody else."
- Bastiat
Beet
Moderators
YaBB God
Posts: 14800
Political Matrix
E: -2.52, S: -4.43
Re: Government: Good or Bad?
«
Reply #2 on:
January 28, 2012, 02:40:18 am »
This debate is really getting tedious. As a liberal, I see government as a tool to be used when needed. You can debate where and when this tool might be useful, but I don't sit there and ask: Screwdriver: Good or Bad?
Logged
Quote from: krazen1211 on January 17, 2013, 06:26:56 pm
15 rounds for the elites but 7 for the people. Interesting.
Markit Credit Data
Politico
YaBB God
Posts: 4890
Re: Government: Good or Bad?
«
Reply #3 on:
January 28, 2012, 02:56:39 am »
Quote from: Beet on January 28, 2012, 02:40:18 am
As a liberal, I see government as a tool to be used when needed.
Whenever a liberal calls the government a tool, all I can think of is the following proverb: "If all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail."
«
Last Edit: January 28, 2012, 03:01:42 am by Politico
»
Logged
"Government is the great fiction through which everybody endeavors to live at the expense of everybody else."
- Bastiat
Senator Napoleon
Napoleon
YaBB God
Posts: 11586
Political Matrix
E: -3.35, S: -8.17
Re: Government: Good or Bad?
«
Reply #4 on:
January 28, 2012, 07:52:23 am »
Definitely good overall, but every once in a while the drawbacks are glaring.
Logged
Quote from: bgwah on April 20, 2013, 12:46:53 am
The only thing that is certain is that he's a douche! What he will infract is uncetain.
Link
YaBB God
Posts: 2425
Re: Government: Good or Bad?
«
Reply #5 on:
January 28, 2012, 09:05:38 am »
Quote from: Politico on January 28, 2012, 02:12:26 am
I believe the only goals of monetary policy should be price stability with an implicit nominal anchor of 2-3% targeted inflation, and
ensuring the stability of the financial system
.
It's nice to see a right winger come out in full support of the bank bailouts, auto bailouts, QE1, QE2, Glass Steagal, and the consumer protection bureau.
I was getting so sick of that Grover Norquist's "drown the government in a bathtub" garbage.
Logged
Insane quote of the year-
"
Every
aspect of life in America is worse than when he [Obama] took over" -Marco Rubio
Link
YaBB God
Posts: 2425
Re: Government: Good or Bad?
«
Reply #6 on:
January 28, 2012, 09:39:33 am »
Quote from: Politico on January 28, 2012, 02:12:26 am
There is a reason why most politicians/bureaucrats did not get their start in business
(i.e., the private sector), so keep that in mind the next time somebody suggests giving them control over more and more resources (whether it is Newt Gingrich speaking on behalf of colonizing the moon and putting mirrors into outer space, or Bernie Sanders calling for the nationalization of something or other).
And there is a reason we never have had a highly successful business man also become a great president... particularly where financial matters are concerned.
Logged
Insane quote of the year-
"
Every
aspect of life in America is worse than when he [Obama] took over" -Marco Rubio
© Tweed the Younger
Miamiu1027
YaBB God
Posts: 34296
Re: Government: Good or Bad?
«
Reply #7 on:
January 28, 2012, 10:06:26 am »
Quote from: Politico on January 28, 2012, 02:12:26 am
I agree with Adam Smith: The proper role of government is to provide national defense, law/order, and basic infrastructure.
"When the regulation, therefore, is in favor of the workmen, it is always just and equitable" --Adam Smith
Logged
"If the Constitution means anything, it surely means that the president does not have unreviewable authority to summarily execute any American whom he concludes is an enemy of the state"
registered somewhere in Georgia AFE
Gustaf
Moderators
YaBB God
Posts: 26097
Political Matrix
E: 0.39, S: -0.70
Re: Government: Good or Bad?
«
Reply #8 on:
January 28, 2012, 10:22:10 am »
Eh...that government is necessary to deal with a multitude of market failures and other stuff is pretty much beyond political debate.
Government can do a lot of harmful things to the economy, of course.
Logged
Quote from: The Pauper of the Surf and the Jester of Tortuga on July 14, 2011, 01:20:59 am
This place really has become a cesspool of degenerate whores...
Economic score: +0.9
Social score: -2.61
In MN for fantasy stuff, member of the most recently dissolved centrist party.
ag
Moderator
YaBB God
Posts: 5334
Re: Government: Good or Bad?
«
Reply #9 on:
January 28, 2012, 10:14:42 pm »
Neither, of course. It could be either good or bad, just like all other institutions that surround us. Most of the time, it is both and neither at the same time
))
Anybody, who thinks they can give a straightforward answer to this poll, should really study some economics
) Otherwise, I am going insist that all of you tell me whether you've stopped drinking half a gallon of vodka daily before breakfast. Yes or no?
)))
«
Last Edit: January 28, 2012, 10:18:21 pm by ag
»
Logged
asexual trans victimologist
Nathan
YaBB God
Posts: 8964
Re: Government: Good or Bad?
«
Reply #10 on:
January 28, 2012, 11:23:38 pm »
Quote from: ag on January 28, 2012, 10:14:42 pm
Anybody, who thinks they can give a straightforward answer to this poll, should really study some economics
) Otherwise, I am going insist that all of you tell me whether you've stopped drinking half a gallon of vodka daily before breakfast. Yes or no?
)))
Of course not!!! I'm Russian-American. I have standards to uphold.
Logged
Quote from: Averroës Nix on October 18, 2012, 07:59:32 pm
Professor
Nathan: A shameless agrarian collectivist with no respect for private property or individual rights. Can you really trust him?
Quote from: Joe Republic on April 25, 2013, 03:29:18 pm
It's like one minute you're preaching from the pulpit at some exceedingly dull church; the next you're a giving a Womens' Studies lecture at Berkeley.
ag
Moderator
YaBB God
Posts: 5334
Re: Government: Good or Bad?
«
Reply #11 on:
January 29, 2012, 12:11:42 am »
Quote from: Nathan on January 28, 2012, 11:23:38 pm
Quote from: ag on January 28, 2012, 10:14:42 pm
Anybody, who thinks they can give a straightforward answer to this poll, should really study some economics
) Otherwise, I am going insist that all of you tell me whether you've stopped drinking half a gallon of vodka daily before breakfast. Yes or no?
)))
Of course not!!! I'm Russian-American. I have standards to uphold.
It's getting to be almost too many Russians here
) But I am still pretty sure, I am the only Russian-Mexican around
))
Logged
asexual trans victimologist
Nathan
YaBB God
Posts: 8964
Re: Government: Good or Bad?
«
Reply #12 on:
January 29, 2012, 12:16:27 am »
Quote from: ag on January 29, 2012, 12:11:42 am
Quote from: Nathan on January 28, 2012, 11:23:38 pm
Quote from: ag on January 28, 2012, 10:14:42 pm
Anybody, who thinks they can give a straightforward answer to this poll, should really study some economics
) Otherwise, I am going insist that all of you tell me whether you've stopped drinking half a gallon of vodka daily before breakfast. Yes or no?
)))
Of course not!!! I'm Russian-American. I have standards to uphold.
It's getting to be almost too many Russians here
) But I am still pretty sure, I am the only Russian-Mexican around
))
To be fair, I also have a lot of Italian and Irish in me. But the Russian side is where my family name and physical appearance come from.
Logged
Quote from: Averroës Nix on October 18, 2012, 07:59:32 pm
Professor
Nathan: A shameless agrarian collectivist with no respect for private property or individual rights. Can you really trust him?
Quote from: Joe Republic on April 25, 2013, 03:29:18 pm
It's like one minute you're preaching from the pulpit at some exceedingly dull church; the next you're a giving a Womens' Studies lecture at Berkeley.
realisticidealist
YaBB God
Posts: 6194
Political Matrix
E: -0.13, S: 3.48
Re: Government: Good or Bad?
«
Reply #13 on:
January 29, 2012, 03:22:09 am »
It's like asking: people, good or bad? Your answer to that is probably similar to your answer to this.
Logged
"The greatest thing you'll ever learn is just to love and be loved in return."
opebo
YaBB God
Posts: 44672
Re: Government: Good or Bad?
«
Reply #14 on:
January 30, 2012, 10:40:44 am »
The economy is only an aspect of the government, so the question is somewhat dubious as and in the (economic) context phrased. But as ag and others have said above, it is neither 'good' nor 'bad' (and after all those value-terms are only subjectively meaningful).
Logged
Quote from: opebo on December 17, 2012, 03:47:32 pm
prostitutes, bedpans, toupees etc.
Diabolical Minds Think Alike
20RP12
YaBB God
Posts: 17511
Political Matrix
E: -4.45, S: -7.57
Re: Government: Good or Bad?
«
Reply #15 on:
February 08, 2012, 09:19:29 am »
I don't believe Government is inherently evil, though I believe a lot of Governments we see in the world today are evil. I support a hands-off economic fiscal policy (laissez-faire) and such.
Logged
NEY YO HOY MINOY NEYOYOYENOYMEMOY
Pages:
[
1
]
« previous
next »
Jump to:
Please select a destination:
-----------------------------
Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion
-----------------------------
=> 2016 U.S. Presidential Election
===> 2016 U.S. Presidential General Election Polls
===> 2016 U.S. Presidential Primary Election Polls
=> U.S. Presidential Election Results
===> 2012 U.S. Presidential Election Results
===> 2008 U.S. Presidential Election Results
===> 2004 U.S. Presidential Election Results
===> 2000 U.S. Presidential Election Results
=> Presidential Election Trends
=> Election What-ifs?
===> Past Election What-ifs (US)
===> Alternative Elections
===> International What-ifs
-----------------------------
Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion
-----------------------------
=> Gubernatorial/Statewide Elections
===> 2013 & Odd Year Gubernatorial Election Polls
===> 2014 Gubernatorial Election Polls
=> Congressional Elections
===> 2014 Senatorial Election Polls
=> International Elections
=> Election Predictions
-----------------------------
Questions and Answers
-----------------------------
=> Presidential Election Process
===> Electoral Reform
===> Polling
=> The Atlas
===> How To
-----------------------------
General Discussion
-----------------------------
=> Constitution and Law
=> Religion & Philosophy
=> History
===> Alternative History
-----------------------------
General Politics
-----------------------------
=> U.S. General Discussion
=> Political Geography & Demographics
=> International General Discussion
=> Economics
=> Individual Politics
=> Political Debate
===> Political Essays & Deliberation
===> Book Reviews and Discussion
-----------------------------
Election Archive
-----------------------------
=> 2012 Elections
===> 2012 Senatorial Election Polls
===> 2012 House Election Polls
===> 2012 U.S. Presidential Primary Election Polls
===> 2012 U.S. Presidential General Election Polls
===> 2012 Gubernatorial Election Polls
=> 2010 Elections
===> 2010 House Election Polls
===> 2010 Senatorial Election Polls
===> 2010 Gubernatorial Election Polls
=> 2008 Elections
===> 2008 Senatorial Election Polls
===> 2008 Gubernatorial Election Polls
===> 2008 U.S. Presidential Election Campaign
===> 2008 U.S. Presidential General Election Polls
===> 2008 U.S. Presidential Primary Election Polls
=> 2004 U.S. Presidential Election
===> 2004 U.S. Presidential Election Campaign
===> 2004 U.S. Presidential Election Polls
=> 2006 Elections
===> 2006 Senatorial Election Polls
===> 2006 Gubernatorial Election Polls
-----------------------------
Forum Community
-----------------------------
=> Forum Community
===> Forum Community Election Match-ups
=> Election and History Games
===> Mock Parliment
===> Town Hall
===> Survivor
===> Interactive Timelines
=> Off-topic Board
-----------------------------
Atlas Fantasy Elections
-----------------------------
=> Atlas Fantasy Elections
===> Voting Booth
=> Atlas Fantasy Government
===> Constitutional Convention
===> Regional Governments
1 Hour
1 Day
1 Week
1 Month
Forever
Login with username, password and session length
Powered by SMF 1.1.18
|
SMF © 2013, Simple Machines
Loading...