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« on: January 30, 2012, 08:13:42 pm »
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How long until a candidate's religious views can be attacked, no matter how mainline he is?

It's inspiring seeing America, where normally only hatred for Atheism and Islam is permitted in mainstream political discourse, truly digging into a lilly-white man's religion, even one as home-grown as Mormonism.

It's truly great seeing the idiocy of believing in some crazy stories told by some nut thrust into the open. The strange rituals and unfathomable beliefs laid bare for all to mock really heartens me. I never thought I'd hear it, but people are finally saying it out in the open:

Who made this stuff up? They really believe this?

I look forward to the day that Evangelicals, Baptists, and every other religious person can look forward to the same ridicule over their crazy baseless superstitions.
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« Reply #1 on: January 30, 2012, 08:17:22 pm »
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« Reply #2 on: January 30, 2012, 08:18:48 pm »
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Intolerance at its best.
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« Reply #3 on: January 30, 2012, 08:20:30 pm »
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I look forward to a day when people stop caring about the religion of a candidate. Those who complain about about muslims and atheists being hated on in the political discourse ( I am with you here), you will be no better than the haters if you start holding a christian candidate's religion against them  
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« Reply #4 on: January 30, 2012, 08:21:40 pm »
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I look forward to a day when people stop caring about the religion of a candidate. Those who complain about about muslims and atheists being hated on in the political discourse ( I am with you here), you will be no better than the haters if you start holding a christian candidate's religion against them  

Amen! Couldn't have put it any better.
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« Reply #5 on: January 30, 2012, 08:22:51 pm »
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A candidate's religious views are an important part of understanding who they are and what their values are. Their importance isn't going away any time soon.
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« Reply #6 on: January 30, 2012, 08:37:15 pm »
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Intolerance at its best.

There is a difference between critiquing religion and being intolerant of it.
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« Reply #7 on: January 30, 2012, 08:41:13 pm »
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I look forward to a day when people stop caring about the religion of a candidate. Those who complain about about muslims and atheists being hated on in the political discourse ( I am with you here), you will be no better than the haters if you start holding a christian candidate's religion against them  

I second this.

And you just know who most of the usual suspects are out there on the left who are all over Romney's religious beliefs. Mormonism is a type of Christianity, and it is far more mainstream than living an alternative lifestyle, so it would probably be prudent for those who fall into the latter category not to engage in bigotry against Mormons. I mean, do you see Barney Frank out there winning a bunch of primaries? And if he were, how would certain people feel if people started questioning his proclivities in a bigoted manner?
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« Reply #8 on: January 30, 2012, 08:41:58 pm »
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Mormonism is a type of Christianity

False.
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« Reply #9 on: January 30, 2012, 08:43:50 pm »
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Mormonism is a type of Christianity

False.

The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints.

It's right there in the name, for crying out out! What does Romney have to do, start running around with a crucifix to ward off Count Gingrich?
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« Reply #10 on: January 30, 2012, 08:45:42 pm »
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Then why do other churches not accept Mormon baptisms? Or vice-versa, if I were to convert to Mormonism for some inexplicable reason I would have to be baptized again, despite the fact that I'll soon be baptized twice (as a baby and in two weeks.) Gingrich didn't have to be rebaptized to convert to Catholicism. If I were to convert to any other church that baptizes babies it wouldn't require a rebaptism and after two weeks I could convert to any Christian church without being rebaptized. I don't even have to be rebaptized to belong to my current church, I'm just doing it because I want to. But not the case with Mormonism. Also if I were baptized a Mormon I'd have to be rebaptized to convert to any Christian church.
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« Reply #11 on: January 30, 2012, 08:57:04 pm »
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Mormonism is a type of Christianity

False.

The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints.

It's right in there in the name, for crying out out.

Jesus Christ is a prophet of Islam. Does that make Islam a type of Christianity? All main-stream Christian branches declare that Jesus was the last and final prophet. Mormonism violates that rule.

 
I look forward to a day when people stop caring about the religion of a candidate. Those who complain about about muslims and atheists being hated on in the political discourse ( I am with you here), you will be no better than the haters if you start holding a christian candidate's religion against them  

If a candidate came out declaring that all women are inferior to men and that Jerusalem should not be divided because of their faith (like Pat Robertson in 1988), it deserves scrutiny and critique. Would it be unfair to a member of the Westboro Church if their faith and parish were questioned? Religion gives many their code of ethics and morals.

I agree that Atheists and Muslims should not be outright hated by the political discourse; they are victims of extreme prejudice. But asking an atheist where he derived his ethics and morals (I derive mine from Humanist teachings) or a Muslim where he stands on certain "out there" portions of the Koran is fair game.

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« Reply #12 on: January 30, 2012, 09:02:30 pm »
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Those who complain about about muslims and atheists being hated on in the political discourse ( I am with you here), you will be no better than the haters if you start holding a christian candidate's religion against them  

You misunderstand.

I think religious belief of any sort is nothing but silly superstitions. Old stories told so many times that unthinking people believe in them. Nonsense.

I don't hate religious people. I do think they're all either nuts or unthinking.

I don't think Mormonism or Christianity or Islam or Hinduism or any religion is particularly more or less terrible than any other. They're all just crazy made-up stories.

And amazingly, some people are starting to catch onto this in our public discourse, which treats the ridiculousness of religion with kid gloves so as not to offend the masses.

It's encouraging.
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« Reply #13 on: January 30, 2012, 09:15:34 pm »
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How long until a candidate's religious views can be attacked, no matter how mainline he is?

It's inspiring seeing America, where normally only hatred for Atheism and Islam is permitted in mainstream political discourse, truly digging into a lilly-white man's religion, even one as home-grown as Mormonism.

It's truly great seeing the idiocy of believing in some crazy stories told by some nut thrust into the open. The strange rituals and unfathomable beliefs laid bare for all to mock really heartens me. I never thought I'd hear it, but people are finally saying it out in the open:

Who made this stuff up? They really believe this? They must be bat-shlt crazy!

I look forward to the day that Evangelicals, Baptists, and every other religious person can look forward to the same ridicule over their crazy baseless superstitions.

You tipped your cards when you used the word hatred.  That is exactly what all this misinformation and these lies about Romney's faith being spread by intolerant bigots is.  It is nothing less than hatred, intolerance, and bigotry.

Hatred, intolerance, and bigotry have no place in the America of 2012. 
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« Reply #14 on: January 30, 2012, 09:18:39 pm »
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If a candidate came out declaring that all women are inferior to men

This is in the first pages of The Holy Bible:

Genesis 3:16

Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply the sorry and the conception; in sorry thou shalt bring forth children ; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee

Anyone claiming women ought to be ruled over by men is simply preaching The Word.
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« Reply #15 on: January 30, 2012, 09:20:02 pm »
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Hatred, intolerance, and bigotry have no place in the America of 2012. 

You're one of those ''ironic Republicans'' aren't you?

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« Reply #16 on: January 30, 2012, 09:21:01 pm »
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How long until a candidate's religious views can be attacked, no matter how mainline he is?

It's inspiring seeing America, where normally only hatred for Atheism and Islam is permitted in mainstream political discourse, truly digging into a lilly-white man's religion, even one as home-grown as Mormonism.

It's truly great seeing the idiocy of believing in some crazy stories told by some nut thrust into the open. The strange rituals and unfathomable beliefs laid bare for all to mock really heartens me. I never thought I'd hear it, but people are finally saying it out in the open:

Who made this stuff up? They really believe this? They must be bat-shlt crazy!

I look forward to the day that Evangelicals, Baptists, and every other religious person can look forward to the same ridicule over their crazy baseless superstitions.

You tipped your cards when you used the word hatred.  That is exactly what all this misinformation and these lies about Romney's faith being spread by intolerant bigots is.  It is nothing less than hatred, intolerance, and bigotry.

Hatred, intolerance, and bigotry have no place in the America of 2012.  

Hatred, intolerance, and bigotry killed 6,000,000 Jews.

I shall now make sure that Romney is monitored any comments that fit into that bracket.

BTW - the last line made you sound really shrill.
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« Reply #17 on: January 30, 2012, 09:22:04 pm »
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Dear Gustaf:

I moved this thread here because it definitely didn't belong on the 2012 board. I didn't realize your board was already half-full with threads about Mormonism. Sowwy Sad
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« Reply #18 on: January 30, 2012, 09:30:08 pm »
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In this thread Jacobtm doesn't understand basic theological praxis.

Here's a hint: You can understand more about people and certain aspects of the world through stories, fictional or otherwise, than you can through non-story modes of knowledge.
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