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« Reply #75 on: February 03, 2012, 04:37:46 pm »
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I'd like to formally ask the convention for an up-or-down vote on endorsing the Washburnist ticket for the Presidency.

Should this need any kind of second, I give it.

It doesn't, since I'm the Chairman and I'm making party rules mainly by setting precedent.

Ah. Wink

Shall we begin, then?
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« Reply #76 on: February 03, 2012, 04:52:10 pm »
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Barnes/Windis for President! Wink
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« Reply #77 on: February 03, 2012, 04:57:00 pm »
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I don't think an up-or-down vote for one candidate in a race of four candidates is appropriate, we need all the candidates on the endorsement ballot.  We should also give the others an opportunity to address this convention.
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« Reply #78 on: February 03, 2012, 05:18:49 pm »
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I don't think an up-or-down vote for one candidate in a race of four candidates is appropriate, we need all the candidates on the endorsement ballot.  We should also give the others an opportunity to address this convention.

I agree that we should listen to all the platforms.  I'm PMing Polnut and 20RP12 now.
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« Reply #79 on: February 03, 2012, 05:39:00 pm »
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Hello distinguished members of the Labor Party,

Today I declared my bid for President of Atlasia. My record proves to be that of a bi-partisan, active leader who puts The People before politics. Even though we may disagree on some issues, I believe the most important thing we can agree on is that we all love Atlasia. We want to see this country improve. I pledge to be a bi-partisan and active legislator, as I have been my entire career. I think, despite our ideological differences, we can unite. I'm 20RP12 and I'm running for President of Atlasia, not for one ideology.
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« Reply #80 on: February 03, 2012, 05:41:17 pm »
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I want to thank you for privilege of speaking with you today.

I am asking for your support to continue the reforms to help make Atlasia strong again. When I sought the Presidency last June, I promised a pragmatic but progressive agenda. I was elected with a mandate and I believe governed with the best interests of all at heart. Sometimes that left me with conflicts, but in the end I believe those conflicts help in bringing about effective compromises.

If I am fortunate to receive either your endorsement or a high preference I can promise you both a President and Vice President who know how actually get things done. It's wonderful to have the ideals, but in order to have real impact, they need to become tangible.

I know many of you are thinking 'Liberal' = moderate hero. Well let me make it very clear, I want to create a better economic environment for jobs to be created, but not just any jobs, jobs with benefits that make people feel secure. I believe the union movement in the single most important development in maintaining the middle-class and protecting the working poor. I will never, ever allow union-rights to be undermined.

I will also stand against attempts to privatise our education system. Education is a right, and the quality you receive should not depend on who your parents are, or how much they earn.

Over the next few weeks I will make more specific policy statements, but I ask you to look at my record as president. If you want a strong economy where workers rights are paramount, an education system that is strong as available to all and a place where the separation of church and state is gospel, and if you want to be served by an administration that works for you with a history of getting results, I ask for your support.
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« Reply #81 on: February 03, 2012, 05:51:52 pm »
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I would ask the Chairman to word the vote something like this:

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Should the Labor Party field its own ticket for this Presidential election?
[ ] Yes
[ ] No

If the party does not field a ticket, which other candidate should it endorse?
[ ] 20RP12
[ ] EarlAW
[ ] Polnut
[ ] ZuWo
[ ] No endorsement

All members should be allowed to vote on both questions.  I'm not trying to upstage anything, but it's just what I believe. Smiley
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« Reply #82 on: February 03, 2012, 05:55:14 pm »
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I don't think that we should field a presidential ticket just yet, as we are still attempting to establish our party. With that in mind, I think we should first preference EarlAW and second preference Polnut in the upcoming presidential election, as they are the candidates with views closest to our own.
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« Reply #83 on: February 03, 2012, 07:31:02 pm »
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Is presidential election IRV/2 round or first past the post? If it's IRV we should field our own candidate.
Btw since we are most likely going to endorse the Socialists, I thought I should add their platform here.

No need to motion that, I can do it right now. It's not really a platform, just some crudely jotted "core beliefs". However, they shall henceforth be known as the Washburnist Manifesto,

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Some core beliefs:

Liberty
We belief personal liberty to be very important, but we do not believe in "economic liberalism".

Business
We do not advocate abolishing the capitalist system, rather we advocate a complete overhaul of the system. Co-operatives will be highly encouraged. Companies' taxes wont increase very much, and will get tax breaks for setting up rainy day funds to protect them during periods of low profits. Small businesses however will be highly subsidized, and an overhaul of the bureaucracy in regulations will occur.

Trade
We believe in fair trade, not "free trade". We will only do trade with countries that are run by similar ideologies.

Religion
Religious freedom will be guaranteed, but will not trump other rights.

International
If there is money in the budget, we will focus on international pursuits, namely promoting our ideology around the world, and perhaps military intervention in nations most opposed to it.

Education
Private education as a primary source of education will be abolished. Homeschooling will be abolished. All pupils are to attend public schools. University will be free. School zones will be drawn so that schools will be mixed in terms of social class.

Health care
Private health care will be abolished in favour of state run system. Various cosmetic procedures will remain private, however and will not be covered by the state system.  Ambulances (only in the case of an emergency) and prescription drugs will be free.

Gay rights
We will be fully committed to gay rights and the gay agenda. We are pro-same-sex marriage and pro gay adoption. Also, the ban on letting gays give blood will be removed.

Abortion
Abortion will be legal, however will not be completely covered by the state run health system. Abortion will however be discouraged by the government through awareness campaigns and generous allowances for underprivileged, single and teenage parents. Abortions will cost $100. (first time). Abortion prices will double each time a woman requests one.

Culture
Sport will be heavily subsidized in the aims to promote physical fitness in the public. Some culture will be funded to promote fitness of the mind. There will be a state run broadcaster to compete with the other networks which will remain neutral, even from our party.

Free speech
Speech will be more free. However, in the name of consumer rights, advertisers will be required to be completely honest in their advertisements and may not be misleading in any way.

Taxes
Taxes will be adjusted so that no one person will be allowed to accumulate more than $200,000 in a year. Also, those who work harder and are deemed to have more honourable professions will be given tax breaks.

Workers' rights
Laws will be instituted that will protect all workers who desire to be unionized by giving serious jail times to anyone involved in trying to prevent said workers from unionizing. Union workers will be protected from being fired during strikes, as well. However, public sector unions will be fazed out. We want private sector jobs to be on par with public sector jobs. We also do not want the public sector to hold the government hostage during periods of austerity. Also, their jobs will be essential, and strikes would cripple the government. There will be no need for public sector unions anyways, as public sector workers' rights will always be upheld.

Also, the minimum wage will be set at the cost of living, and minimum annual salaries will also be introduced, also pegged to the cost of living. 

Drugs and alcohol
Consumption of any substance will be completely legal. However, the sale and distribution of highly addictive substances will illegal. This includes tobacco. However, a system will be in place help addicts recover, including safe injection sites, free methadone programs, and even free drugs if needed (if the person voluntarily goes to our government run rehabilitation clinic)

Welfare
All people will be given the opportunity to work in areas best fit for them. The government will maintain an employment database that will easily find employment for nearly everyone. Those who refuse to work when given every opportunity to do so will be allowed to live special facilities where they will have a small cell with a toilet, and will be given 3 meals of low cost food a day. Similar to jail, except the would be free to go in and out of the facility and their pleasure.

Death penalty
The death penalty will only be reserved for dictators and tyrants of foreign lands. Unless are party succeeds from a tyrant or dictator in our own nation, it will not be used on any Atlasian.

Immigration
Restrictions on immigration will be relaxed, and all those wanting to live in Atlasia will be allowed to do so, after passing a background test. Illegal immigrants will be given amnesty.

Prostitution
Prostitution will be legalized. Prostitutes however will have to undergo regular STD testing and will legally be required to use condoms. Also, soliciting on the street will be illegal, but one is welcome to own a storefront.

Affirmative action
For public sector jobs, only when a minority candidate is deemed equal in qualification to a majority candidate will that candidate get a job.

Assisted suicide
As part of our beliefs in personal liberty, one will have the right to their own life an death. A person may with a clear mind, enter into a contract with a physician for their own life to be terminated.

Environment
A long with workers' rights, the protection of the environment will be a top priority. Our main goal will be to cut down on greenhouse gases. Our plan is to eliminate the use of gas-fueled automobiles within 8 years through phasing them out and replacing them with automobiles that run on renewable energy sources. Also, all new homes will be required to be environmentally retrofitted, and have solar panels to provide the home's energy. All homes will be equipped with solar panels within 8 years as well.

Gun rights
The rights to own guns will be outlawed completely, except for sport, military and the police.

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I bolded the parts that may seem undemocratic to various members of our party. And the whole labor thing.
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« Reply #84 on: February 03, 2012, 09:24:26 pm »
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We are very committed to democracy. But, I will address the bolded parts.

Trade: Well, I don't believe we should be doing trade with dictatorships or with nations that while democratic, are run by corporatists.

Foreign intervention: It will not be a commitment of a Washburn presidency to start invading countries. We will however support insurgent movements in nations, to oppose dictatorships. The recent Arab spring uprisings would have all received help from a Washburn administration.

Education: This has been covered already in this thread.

State run broadcaster: This will be completely democratic. The state run broadcaster will not spew government propaganda, but rather be a forum of ideas, from both the left and the right. It will exist to provide neutrality, and biaslessness to compete with corporatist media. The corporatist media cannot be trusted, because they are beholden to their corporate overloads.

Death penalty: No Atlasian will be convicted of the death penalty, however will not oppose other nations using the death penalty against former dictators.

Police having guns: Police will be discouraged to use guns, but they will need them if a criminal has a gun. I don't see the problem with that.
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« Reply #85 on: February 04, 2012, 12:47:44 am »
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We are very committed to democracy. But, I will address the bolded parts.

Trade: Well, I don't believe we should be doing trade with dictatorships or with nations that while democratic, are run by corporatists.

Foreign intervention: It will not be a commitment of a Washburn presidency to start invading countries. We will however support insurgent movements in nations, to oppose dictatorships. The recent Arab spring uprisings would have all received help from a Washburn administration.

Education: This has been covered already in this thread.

State run broadcaster: This will be completely democratic. The state run broadcaster will not spew government propaganda, but rather be a forum of ideas, from both the left and the right. It will exist to provide neutrality, and biaslessness to compete with corporatist media. The corporatist media cannot be trusted, because they are beholden to their corporate overloads.

Death penalty: No Atlasian will be convicted of the death penalty, however will not oppose other nations using the death penalty against former dictators.

Police having guns: Police will be discouraged to use guns, but they will need them if a criminal has a gun. I don't see the problem with that.

Well in my opinion normal police shouldn't have guns, but they shouldn't be put into situations where their life would be in danger, guns should be only reserved for national guard/army.
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« Reply #86 on: February 04, 2012, 08:37:53 am »
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I don't trust the police with guns. Imagine some of the strikes in Britain if the police had had firearms... ick.
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« Reply #87 on: February 04, 2012, 10:56:11 am »
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Well, officers may need guns under certain circumstances. However, if elected I would be happy to look into what those circumstances might be. I do understand that much of our police force has a "macho" attitude that needs to be dealt with, certainly before we start handing out weapons to them. But anyways, the primary mandate I would have in terms of gun control is ensuring we get guns off the street (first and foremost), and then work from there.
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« Reply #88 on: February 04, 2012, 01:00:42 pm »
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I'd be honored to receive the Labor Party's endorsement, by the way Smiley
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« Reply #89 on: February 04, 2012, 01:14:55 pm »
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I would ask the Chairman to word the vote something like this:

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Should the Labor Party field its own ticket for this Presidential election?
[ ] Yes
[ ] No

If the party does not field a ticket, which other candidate should it endorse?
[ ] 20RP12
[ ] EarlAW
[ ] Polnut
[ ] ZuWo
[ ] No endorsement

All members should be allowed to vote on both questions.  I'm not trying to upstage anything, but it's just what I believe. Smiley

Agreed. (Sorry I haven't been here the past twenty-four hours; social dilemmas called.)

Most of the Washburnist manifesto, with the exception of the education concerns already noted, is very acceptable to me, at least.

I think we should begin voting on this, then, since we have heard from all of the candidates (thank you, everybody, by the way!)

Ballot

Should the Labor Party field its own ticket for this Presidential election?
[ ] Yes
[ ] No

If the party does not field a ticket, which other candidate should it endorse?
[ ] 20RP12
[ ] EarlAW
[ ] Polnut
[ ] ZuWo
[ ] No endorsement


Second vote is by IRV.
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« Reply #90 on: February 04, 2012, 01:56:22 pm »
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Should the Labor Party field its own ticket for this Presidential election?
[X] Yes
[ ] No

If the party does not field a ticket, which other candidate should it endorse?
[3] 20RP12
[2] EarlAW
[1] Polnut
[ ] ZuWo
[ ] No endorsement
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« Reply #91 on: February 04, 2012, 02:09:15 pm »
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Should the Labor Party field its own ticket for this Presidential election?
[ ] Yes
[X] No

If the party does not field a ticket, which other candidate should it endorse?
[ ] 20RP12
[1] EarlAW
[2] Polnut
[ ] ZuWo
[ ] No endorsement
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« Reply #92 on: February 04, 2012, 02:25:45 pm »
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Should the Labor Party field its own ticket for this Presidential election?
[ ] Yes
[X] No

If the party does not field a ticket, which other candidate should it endorse?
[ ] 20RP12
[1] EarlAW
[2] Polnut
[ ] ZuWo
[ ] No endorsement

I know it's strange to not want to run our own candidate, but I believe that we should concentrate on building up out party and winning regional and Senate election (that way we aren't top-heavy Wink). Also, a united left is always good. Wink

Once we finish the voting, I suggest we define and elect party leadership; then we can form our platform. Smiley
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« Reply #93 on: February 04, 2012, 04:12:54 pm »
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By the way, this will be a twelve-hour vote.
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« Reply #94 on: February 04, 2012, 05:53:05 pm »
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Should the Labor Party field its own ticket for this Presidential election?
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[X] No

If the party does not field a ticket, which other candidate should it endorse?
[3] 20RP12
[1] EarlAW
[2] Polnut
[4] ZuWo
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« Reply #95 on: February 04, 2012, 06:57:55 pm »
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Hi guys,

I just want to let you all know I've decided not to run for re-election as Pacific Senator, and I encourage you all to run a candidate for Pacific Senator. Sbane is cool and it's not the end of the world if you don't, but please don't assume it will be a competitive election since I'm not running.

Also, run a candidate for President... Earl is kind of a dick, I can't vote for any ticket with a cat strangler on it, and the other two are right-wingers. NOTA is looking like the best option at the moment. Sad
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« Reply #96 on: February 04, 2012, 06:59:25 pm »
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Thank you for the advice, bgwah, and thank you for your service to the Senate and Atlasia.
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« Reply #97 on: February 04, 2012, 06:59:50 pm »
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Hi guys,

I just want to let you all know I've decided not to run for re-election as Pacific Senator, and I encourage you all to run a candidate for Pacific Senator. Sbane is cool and it's not the end of the world if you don't, but please don't assume it will be a competitive election since I'm not running.

I hope someone wants to run. It would be great if we elected our first senator(s... we might have a shot in Midwest too).
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« Reply #98 on: February 04, 2012, 07:01:00 pm »
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Should the Labor Party field its own ticket for this Presidential election?
[ ] Yes
[X] No

If the party does not field a ticket, which other candidate should it endorse?
[ ] 20RP12
[1] EarlAW
[2] Polnut
[ ] ZuWo
[ ] No endorsement

I know it's strange to not want to run our own candidate, but I believe that we should concentrate on building up out party and winning regional and Senate election (that way we aren't top-heavy Wink). Also, a united left is always good. Wink

Once we finish the voting, I suggest we define and elect party leadership; then we can form our platform. Smiley
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« Reply #99 on: February 04, 2012, 07:08:55 pm »
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Hi guys,

I just want to let you all know I've decided not to run for re-election as Pacific Senator, and I encourage you all to run a candidate for Pacific Senator. Sbane is cool and it's not the end of the world if you don't, but please don't assume it will be a competitive election since I'm not running.

Also, run a candidate for President... Earl is kind of a dick, I can't vote for any ticket with a cat strangler on it, and the other two are right-wingers. NOTA is looking like the best option at the moment. Sad

Bgwah/BK write in? Smiley

I am also increasingly concerned...
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