Daily double in Indiana

[MyRescueKittehRocks]

Foxnews.com has word that Indiana schools shall be teaching creation alongside evolution in the schools. Also the contraversial Right to Work legislation will be on Gov. Daniels desk and signe real soon.

[Lief 🗽]

Another state ruined by Republicans.

[Okay, maybe Mike Johnson is a competent parliamentarian.]

[Rules for me, but not for thee]

Teaching both is ok, gives the students a chance to make up their minds or draw their own conclusions. 

I fully support right-to-work since unions take away businesses' ability to pay market value for their workers.  This will bring more jobs into that state and back into the country. 

Given 1000 people would you rather have say, 600 paid well and 400 unemployed or 900 paid 1/3 less and 100 unemployed? 

[Okay, maybe Mike Johnson is a competent parliamentarian.]

There's not much to make up their minds on, scientifically speaking (philosophically, sure, but that is what college and independent learning are for). While we're at it why not teach the omphalos hypothesis in history classes?

You need either both extensive unionization and extensive social welfare, or neither. I happen to think that both is better than neither.

[greenforest32]

Is anybody surprised? Indiana's been asking for it by continuously voting Republican.

[MyRescueKittehRocks]

Another state ruined restored to free market principals by Republicans.

As a firm believer in competition of idealologies in the educational field, this is a good idea.

Right to Work is a measure that protects individuals against forced dues that fund ideas and beliefs that are against the conscience of the individual. It doesn't abolish unions it promotes competition.

[Rules for me, but not for thee]

You need either both extensive unionization and extensive social welfare, or neither. I happen to think that both is better than neither.

That sounds all fine and dandy for the worker, but what about the business?  Businesses would be closing or moving overseas in record rates.  Big corporations are bad enough now, replace them with a monolithic government with all jobs under it (because, businesses would all leave)?  Talk about grinding a country to a halt.

[Okay, maybe Mike Johnson is a competent parliamentarian.]

Its main measurable effect is to overburden unions by not making the people who benefit from collective bargaining contribute to it. Also, educational competition is what private schooling is there to accomplish. Allowing 'competition' on facts, rather than analysis, is nearly always a bad idea. The school shouldn't be in the business of taking sides between theistic and/or emergent evolution or pure biological determinism but...well, science is science, and quixotic philosophical concepts are quixotic philosophical concepts.

You need either both extensive unionization and extensive social welfare, or neither. I happen to think that both is better than neither.

That sounds all fine and dandy for the worker, but what about the business?  Businesses would be closing or moving overseas in record rates.  Big corporations are bad enough now, replace them with a monolithic government with all jobs under it (because, businesses would all leave)?  Talk about grinding a country to a halt.

You seem to be viewing work as of necessity a top-down exercise. That's how it usually works, but there's no ironclad rule that it has to.

[Хahar 🤔]

Another state ruined restored to free market principals by Republicans.

As a firm believer in competition of idealologies in the educational field, this is a good idea.

Personally, I prefer education in the educational field, but that might just be me.

[Holmes]

I like how children have to "make up their minds" about what is taught in school, as if facts are subjective.

[Marokai Backbeat]

I like how children have to "make up their minds" about what is taught in school, as if facts are subjective.

Why do you love brainwashing children?

[Holmes]

I like how children have to "make up their minds" about what is taught in school, as if facts are subjective.

Why do you love brainwashing children?

I didn't particularly like calculus in high school, maybe I should've made up my mind and drawn my own conclusions about it instead of writing tests.

[dead0man]

Teaching creation in public schools in 2012 is a freaking embarassment to this country.  Much more so than our "fatties".  Ya hear that America haters?  Give us sh**t for thing we deserve sh**t for...like this.

[Eraserhead]

Obama somehow carried this state in 2008.

[True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자)]

I don't know why Dennis Kruse thinks having schools engage in costly litigation to prove once again that "creation science" is not science but religion is a good idea.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

I don't know why Dennis Kruse thinks having schools engage in costly litigation to prove once again that "creation science" is not science but religion is a good idea.

Yeah I have no clue why some people insist on pushing this nonsense. All it results in it is the state paying tons of legal fees and it getting overturned.

[Hash]

Another state ruined restored to free market principals by Republicans.

As a firm believer in competition of idealologies in the educational field, this is a good idea.

I do see that you don't support grammar and spelling the educational field.

[Jacobtm]

As a firm believer in competition of idealologies in the educational field, this is a good idea.

I do see that you don't support grammar and spelling the educational field.

English has a long history of spelling things willy-nilly.

Misspellings are far more defensible than ''creationism''.

[Hash]

Yeah, but 'idealologies'? Come on. You need to pretty dumb or illiterate if you can't spell a pretty simple word like ideology. 'Idealogy' would be fine, but idealologies seems like Engrish.

[Хahar 🤔]

He's saying that creationism is lol-worthy, which it is.

[MyRescueKittehRocks]

Obama somehow carried this state in 2008.

ACORN had something to do with it. We won't go for him this time. Unless Mitt Romney is the nominee the GOP will win here.

[Negusa Nagast 🚀]

If factless Creationism can be preached in schools may I teach evolution in the church?

This will be shutdown in the courts. I hope it somehow makes it all the way up to the SCOTUS only so the people that want to teach Christianity in schools are finally shut down forever.

Evolution and Creationism are not two "ideologies" on equal footing. One is bronze age myth that  faces numerous conflicts with gathered evidence. The other is a well-established theory that has a mountain of evidence in the fossil record and contemporary evidence in the growing immunity of  bacteria to antibiotics. The fact that we're still having this debate is embarrassing.

[pbrower2a]

Teaching both is ok, gives the students a chance to make up their minds or draw their own conclusions. 

If the promoters of astrology had their way, then maybe they could get a state to introduce the idea that astrology has predictive power in the lives of people and in the course of national history. If racists got their way then maybe they could introduce the idea that slave owners were -- contrary to 'liberal myth' -- benefactors to 'their people'. Maybe neo-Nazis could push Jew-hating sentiments as 'racial' reality. I think that you know where that goes.

Creationism is pseudoscience on the same level as divination, Afrocentrism, deconstructionism, and Holocaust denial.  Junk learning does not belong in a classroom.   

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Spare me that argument. Unions exist to give working people a means of standing up to corporate bosses and tycoons who care only for themselves, their families, and their cronies -- people who see working people as nothing more than machines of meat.  Unions cannot enforce above-market wages; businesses can enforce sub-market, exploitative wages if the political system works for them. "Right-to-work (for much less)" means more profits so that elites can hire more domestic servants. Those are the only jobs that "Right-to-Work" laws reliably create.

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The 900 paid 1/3 less will have far less to spend on consumer goods that drive the economy. Profits for the elite do not trickle down; they stay where they go. "Right-to-Work" is the friend of the sweat shop that people might work for a short time in desperation before going elsewhere. It is the consumer economy that drives capitalism; if you don't believe that, then look at the lucrative and cruel economic order of the old South as an example.

I am glad that I have no children to suffer for the sadistic, rapacious, powerful ruling elite of America.

[dead0man]

Holy Hyperbole Batman!