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« Reply #25 on: February 03, 2012, 11:20:58 PM »

If only there were some way for a Communist to answer the question "Are you a Communist?" without alerting any suspicions.  Any way at all.  But of course, these lines of interrogation are just too water-tight.

It's not as unreasonable as you might think.  I was working as a post-doc at a national lab when I became engaged to the daughter of a fairly high-ranking member of the communist party of the PRC.  I remember confiding in my supervisor that I was about to marry my girlfriend of many years, and I remember him telling me that he'd rather not hear anything about it.  And he was about as blind Gore-loyal as they come.  I honestly think I see both sides.  I'm not a libertarian, and I'm not a socialist, but I'm somewhere in-between.  Like most people are, frankly.  It's a major hassle having to fill out a 27-page job application, and having to call people you haven't spoken to since you were in kindergarten just to make sure you'll get a job that you really want, even if you don't support the current administration's (or any administration's!) political policies.  But you can understand that the people who control the wealth would like to continue controlling the wealth.  I'm not trying to sound opebo-esque, but it's a fact that those who occupy the mansions at the apex (or is it the acme?) of the hill would like to maintain those positions.  I respect that, but I also respect my sanity.

I mostly think we make too much of all this--After all, I did vote for Ron Paul in my state's primary elections--but never underestimate the seriousness with which those in control of the means of production and distribution take those means. 

If I were in such a position, I may very well ask the same question.  Fortunately, I am not.  I may be poor, but I have a modicum of freedom.  Janis Joplin famously wrote that "Freedom's just another word for nothin' left to lose."  That may be quite right, and it may explain the general dismissal of the question.  And I do not speak as a neoconservative, but rather as its ideological opposite. 

The government takes itself quite seriously, and this transcends party loyalties.  Never forget that.
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« Reply #26 on: February 03, 2012, 11:35:30 PM »

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Under our Constitution, some powers belong to the states. What is one power of the states?     

make treaties

create an army - My answer

provide schooling and education - supposedly correct answer.

coin or print money

However, the states all have their own little militias and state guards and whatever, while there was no such thing as public schooling at the time the constitution was written.
Am I wrong or is the test wrong?

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In 18th century parlance, an army and a militia were not the same thing.  An army was a body of paid troops whose primary occupation was soldiering, while the militia was a bunch of armed civilians called up as needed.
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« Reply #27 on: February 03, 2012, 11:41:05 PM »

Our citizenship exam lacks far too many "Do you still beat your wife" questions. Shouldn't becoming a citizen involve more awkward questions? Isn't becoming a citizen worth it? Why must our citizenship test devolve into ninth grade civics dogerel?
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« Reply #28 on: February 04, 2012, 12:22:52 AM »

96-0, tho to be fair, the way the questions are worded makes me suspect that the actual quiz is open-ended and not multiple choice, which would make some of these tougher.
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« Reply #29 on: February 04, 2012, 01:24:58 AM »

If only there were some way for a Communist to answer the question "Are you a Communist?" without alerting any suspicions.  Any way at all.  But of course, these lines of interrogation are just too water-tight.

Fun fact: they ask you if you've been a Communist ever, but only if you've been a Nazi from 1941-1945.

Al Franken once said that he'd trust someone that joined the Nazi Party in 1946, because you know he's not a fair-weather friend.
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« Reply #30 on: February 04, 2012, 10:41:57 AM »

If only there were some way for a Communist to answer the question "Are you a Communist?" without alerting any suspicions.  Any way at all.  But of course, these lines of interrogation are just too water-tight.

Fun fact: they ask you if you've been a Communist ever, but only if you've been a Nazi from 1941-1945.

Al Franken once said that he'd trust someone that joined the Nazi Party in 1946, because you know he's not a fair-weather friend.

I disagree.  Springtime has fair-weather.  "Don't be stupid; be a smarty; come and join the Nazi Party!"
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