The Great Brazil Topic

[Dereich]

You could not make this kind of drama up. It's picture-perfect grandstanding. Just watching this, I'm wondering if it's all a rating-boosting conspiracy by the television networks/

Fmr Sao Paulo Mayor Erundina just voted no, and Major Olimpia (SD-SP) had a hilarious shouting speech:

174-45-3

Yeah, some of these congressmen are REALLY getting into their little 30 second speeches, aren't they? There have been quite a few just SCREAMING into the microphone.

[Simfan34]

Maluf: Si! (oh, the hypocrisy!)

[Simfan34]

As of Tiririca (the illiterate clown), who voted Sim:

197-48-3

[jaichind]

200-51-3.  31 PR nos so that is 23 non-PT no/abstains when 93 are needed.  With half the vote counted at this rate Dilma will fall around 45 votes short which is around 387 yes

[Paleobrazilian]

Congressman José Reinaldo (PSB/MA) just betrayed the government. About 8 betrayals against the government so far.

[jaichind]

211-59-3 with 32 PT votes.  That is 30 non-PT No/Abstain votes with the target of 93.  With 273 votes counted the run rate is 56 non-PT Non/Abstain votes.  This means Yes is on target to be 379.

[Paleobrazilian]

According to most projections now, the 342nd vote will come from Pernambuco. If not Pernambuco, Bahia.

[jaichind]

219-70-4

[jaichind]

Now that the Congress vote has gone against Dilma I assume that there is a simple and clear majority for impeachment in the Senate ?

[Simfan34]

In what order are they voting, anyway?

[jaichind]

In what order are they voting, anyway?

It seems by state.

[Simfan34]

244-72-4 as of Benedita da Silva (first black/woman governor of Rio de Janeiro state)

[Paleobrazilian]

Now that the Congress vote has gone against Dilma I assume that there is a simple and clear majority for impeachment in the Senate ?

There are definitely more than 41 votes (about 45-50 IMO), enough to open impeachment proceedings and suspend Dilma for 180 days. After the impeachment process, if Temer gets it right in his provisional government, I'm sure there will be 54 votes to impeach Dilma for good.

[Paleobrazilian]

In what order are they voting, anyway?

It seems by state.

By state, from the northernmost state to the southernmost state and back.

[Simfan34]

In what order are they voting, anyway?

It seems by state.

Well that explains why they all seemed to be from Sao Paulo? Now they all seem to be from Rio state. But in what order are the states? It certainly isn't alphabetical. Perhaps seniority-- whatever their equivalent to admission to the Union is?

Edit: I see, Paleobrazilian. So I guess Amapa went first?

[jaichind]

I like how for every speech there is someone else recording the speech with their smartphone.   I assume to be used for the said Member of Congress re-election campaign.

[jaichind]

Is the a limit on how long these speeches can last?  If not I think PT should start thinking of a filibuster based strategy to drag this out, perhaps forever.

[Paleobrazilian]

In what order are they voting, anyway?

It seems by state.

Well that explains why they all seemed to be from Sao Paulo? Now they all seem to be from Rio state. But in what order are the states? It certainly isn't alphabetical. Perhaps seniority-- whatever their equivalent to admission to the Union is?

Edit: I see, Paleobrazilian. So I guess Amapa went first?

Roraima went first. IIRC Roraima is the only state in Brazil mostly above the Equator line.

[jaichind]

229-75-4-1  (The 1 is absent which does not count toward the 504 present to vote)

[Paleobrazilian]

I like how for every speech there is someone else recording the speech with their smartphone.   I assume to be used for the said Member of Congress re-election campaign.

Well, yes. Plus, many Congressmen will be running for Mayor later this year.

[Simfan34]

Is the a limit on how long these speeches can last?  If not I think PT should start thinking of a filibuster based strategy to drag this out, perhaps forever.

I think there is a 30-second limit. There definitely was a bell ringing after some of them spoke for a long time.

[Simfan34]

In what order are they voting, anyway?

It seems by state.

Well that explains why they all seemed to be from Sao Paulo? Now they all seem to be from Rio state. But in what order are the states? It certainly isn't alphabetical. Perhaps seniority-- whatever their equivalent to admission to the Union is?

Edit: I see, Paleobrazilian. So I guess Amapa went first?

Roraima went first. IIRC Roraima is the only state in Brazil mostly above the Equator line.

Yes, I forgot about them. They are slightly more northern.

[jaichind]

Where the parties stand are clearly on a Left-Right Axis.  All Center-Right pro-government bloc parities defected to vote Yes with the center-Right opposition while non-government but Leftist parties are voting No.  In that sense Dilma's strategy is making this vote about protecting the various transfer payment schemes is working.  It is there are not enough Leftist members of Congress to make her defense viable.  

[Simfan34]

With Marco Antonio Cabral (any relation to Sergio?), 100 votes away.

EDIT: He's his son and he's 24. (!)

[jaichind]

247-80-4-1