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« Reply #500 on: May 18, 2017, 01:39:11 pm »
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Temer is resigning-- already?! I can't believe it, but I envy Brazil's politics right now.

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« Reply #501 on: May 18, 2017, 01:51:10 pm »
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The chances of this guy becoming President just shot up.



But ideally someone like Joaquim Barbosa will be selected.
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« Reply #502 on: May 18, 2017, 02:23:53 pm »
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The House of Cards twitter account has a few words on this matter: https://twitter.com/HouseofCards/status/864992970994368512
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« Reply #503 on: May 18, 2017, 02:26:16 pm »
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Temer has just denied he's resigning. However, the tapes will probably be made public very soon (perhaps today) and there's no way he'll survive to that.
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« Reply #504 on: May 18, 2017, 02:38:51 pm »
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Temer has just denied he's resigning. However, the tapes will probably be made public very soon (perhaps today) and there's no way he'll survive to that.

Temer must be listening to this right now.
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I just hope Trump doesn't turn into some kind of Berlusconi-esque Teflon man.
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« Reply #505 on: May 18, 2017, 03:59:11 pm »
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Temer said that he doesn't fear the investigations and denies that he tried to bribe Eduardo Cunha.

Meanwhile this Senator Aecio Neves, former presidential candidate and leader of the PSDB has been suspended from office and has left the leadership of his party, I'm pretty curious to see who will the PSDB launch as their candidate, Aecio, Alckmin and Serra are all accused of corruption, Doria said that he would be their candidate if the party chose him, and sincerely, this might be the smartest thing that they can do.
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« Reply #506 on: May 18, 2017, 04:26:54 pm »
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To find out that a South American country is corrupt to it's bones isn't really noteworthy.

What I think it's interesting here is that these Lula-Dilma-Temer-Whoever corruptions are actually resulting in some real life political consequences instead of corrupt people carrying off business as usual.
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« Reply #507 on: May 18, 2017, 07:32:49 pm »
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Many protests happened saying to Temer to resign and to the election to be anticipated to this year, protests in Brasilia closed the Ministries Esplanade, and in So Paulo the Paulista Avenue was blocked in both sides.

Ibovespa fell 8.80%(!!!) and there were times it fell 10.47% compared to the beginning of the day (!!!), the dollar closed at 3,38 (With one time the dollar being roughly 3,40-3,50 Reais).

The Minister of the Culture, Eliseu Padilha, left the office after Temer's speech saying that he wouldn't renounce.
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« Reply #508 on: May 18, 2017, 10:10:04 pm »
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The chances of this guy becoming President just shot up.



But ideally someone like Joaquim Barbosa will be selected.
This guy is the Commander of Brazilian Army, general Vilas Boas. But they will trying someone from justice. Marina Silva is openly courting members of justice system to get along her.
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« Reply #509 on: May 19, 2017, 08:58:16 pm »
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So the tapes were released, and though they were damaging, they just didn't damage Temer enough to force him to resign immediately. Anyway, he's still hanging by a thread and many parties could abandon him this weekend. That would make his situation untenable.

The key factor here is what PSDB will do, as Temer has no shot of surviving without them. My gut feeling is that they'll throw both Temer and Aecio under the bus ASAP, otherwise the party will be obliterated next year (just like PT last year).
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« Reply #510 on: May 20, 2017, 12:22:00 pm »
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Temer is a smart guy, he knows that his situation is bad, he know that he isn't in power anymore, every, he knows that he can't govern normally anymore, the only reason he didn't renounce is because he knows, that if he renounces he will be investigated, and probably will be, eventually, jailed.
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« Reply #511 on: May 23, 2017, 11:27:44 am »
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It's been 6 days since the scandal started and Temer is still trying to survive, claiming the tape recorded against him was tampered. This hardly matters, though, because he still confessed he had a secret meeting with a notoriously corrupt businessman who told him about bribing judges and prosecutors.

Many impeachment requests have already been filed to the presidency of the Chamber of Deputies. However, they have been put on hold by Rodrigo Maia, who's been quietly waiting to see what Temer will do. He knows that if Temer falls, he'll be the next in line, at least for 30 days (and many believe, like me, that he'd be a strong candidate, possibly a consensus candidate, in the indirect election).

There are 2 factors right now which have to be taken into account.

The 1st one is that Temer knows he has no base anymore and just doesn't resign because he knows he could go to jail quickly if he does so, thus it's been reported that Temer would be willing to resign once his succession is arranged and with the promise that his successor would pardon him (his successor probably won't probably run for reelection in 2018, so he/she should be unafraid of impersonating Gerald Ford).

The 2nd one is that the Dilma-Temer presidential ticket will be judged by the Superior Electoral Court (TSE) on June 6th, and it's likely that TSE will declare the 2014 election null due to the fact that Dilma-Temer got tons of money for their campaign from bribes, collected through (apparently) legal and totally illegal donations. If TSE does this, it'll hardly matter if Temer resigns or not, he'll be out of office soon. He could still appeal to the Supreme Court to try to gain time, but such an appeal will be doomed to failure. All that being said, get ready, because it's likely that Brazil will have it's first indirect presidential election since 1985.
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« Reply #512 on: May 23, 2017, 06:24:32 pm »
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Temer is basically doomed, it's like he has just been spanked by a man and the man is pointing a gun to it's head, but it didn't shot yet, it's pretty much certain that he will leave office, we just don't know if he will say "yeah, ok, I admit, I lost, I'm leaving" (probably not), if he is going to be just like Dilma and stay until the last second or something in between.
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« Reply #513 on: May 24, 2017, 01:55:21 pm »
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Rioters set fire to the Agriculture Ministry building:

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« Reply #514 on: May 24, 2017, 06:34:06 pm »
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1.500 soldiers arrived in Brasilia to reinforce the security, the Military Police estimated 35.000 people protesting at it's peak and the CUT estimated 200.000 people during all the day, ministries buildings have been targets of vandalism. 7 people were jailed and 49 injured.

The CUT launched the #, "#OcupaBrasilia" (#OccupyBrasilia)
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« Reply #515 on: May 25, 2017, 01:48:28 pm »
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Brazil's bar association (OAB) has just filed articles of impeachment against Temer. This is relevant because it was OAB that started Collor's impeachment, and is also relevant because Dilma's impeachment gained steam after OAB endorsed it. Thus, while Rodrigo Maia may dismiss some other articles of impeachment as weak, it'll be hard for him to ignore this one. My bet is that if TSE doesn't take Temer down early next month Maia will start impeachment proceedings against Temer soon after.
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« Reply #516 on: May 28, 2017, 09:57:24 am »
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Temer lost the support of 4 more parties the parties are:

Brazilian Socialist Party (PSB)
Popular Socialist Party (PPS)
Podemos (Formerly PTN)
Humanist Solidarity Party (PHS)


Together the 4 parties have 66 deputies.
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« Reply #517 on: May 28, 2017, 01:32:43 pm »
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Temer lost the support of 4 more parties the parties are:

Brazilian Socialist Party (PSB)
Popular Socialist Party (PPS)
Podemos (Formerly PTN)
Humanist Solidarity Party (PHS)


Together the 4 parties have 66 deputies.

How close does that put him to a potential impeachment?
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« Reply #518 on: May 28, 2017, 01:42:53 pm »
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Temer lost the support of 4 more parties the parties are:

Brazilian Socialist Party (PSB)
Popular Socialist Party (PPS)
Podemos (Formerly PTN)
Humanist Solidarity Party (PHS)


Together the 4 parties have 66 deputies.

How close does that put him to a potential impeachment?

Closer, but it still depends a lot in PSDB.
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« Reply #519 on: May 28, 2017, 02:27:04 pm »
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how are PSDB dealing with Neves?
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« Reply #520 on: May 28, 2017, 02:33:23 pm »
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Temer lost the support of 4 more parties the parties are:

Brazilian Socialist Party (PSB)
Popular Socialist Party (PPS)
Podemos (Formerly PTN)
Humanist Solidarity Party (PHS)


Together the 4 parties have 66 deputies.

These are pretty hilarious names for pro-Temer parties.
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« Reply #521 on: May 28, 2017, 05:09:16 pm »
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Temer lost the support of 4 more parties the parties are:

Brazilian Socialist Party (PSB)
Popular Socialist Party (PPS)
Podemos (Formerly PTN)
Humanist Solidarity Party (PHS)


Together the 4 parties have 66 deputies.

These are pretty hilarious names for pro-Temer parties.
PTN and PHS are small "rent parties" that supports who pays better them. They grow a lot after 2016. In Brazil, many congressman go from large parties to small parties to control state sections to have control over coalitions and party funds. PPS is a joke socialist party (one congressman of them is the reporter of Retirement reform), while PSB became a bizarre thing during Campos era (ultraconservatives like Paulo Bornhausen and Herclito Fortes are in, but they have a good progressive faction, like senators da Mata and Capiberibe).
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« Reply #522 on: May 28, 2017, 06:12:37 pm »
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Temer lost the support of 4 more parties the parties are:

Brazilian Socialist Party (PSB)
Popular Socialist Party (PPS)
Podemos (Formerly PTN)
Humanist Solidarity Party (PHS)


Together the 4 parties have 66 deputies.

These are pretty hilarious names for pro-Temer parties.
PTN and PHS are small "rent parties" that supports who pays better them. They grow a lot after 2016. In Brazil, many congressman go from large parties to small parties to control state sections to have control over coalitions and party funds. PPS is a joke socialist party (one congressman of them is the reporter of Retirement reform), while PSB became a bizarre thing during Campos era (ultraconservatives like Paulo Bornhausen and Herclito Fortes are in, but they have a good progressive faction, like senators da Mata and Capiberibe).

PHS and Podemos are smaller versions of what PMDB was before Temer took office. They think like this: "If you pay us, we are in you side, except in the case of a political crisis, then we are jumping to the other side."
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« Reply #523 on: May 30, 2017, 03:54:12 pm »

Temer lost the support of 4 more parties the parties are:

Brazilian Socialist Party (PSB)
Popular Socialist Party (PPS)
Podemos (Formerly PTN)
Humanist Solidarity Party (PHS)


Together the 4 parties have 66 deputies.

These are pretty hilarious names for pro-Temer parties.

Party names in Brazil and Portugal tend to be confusing.
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« Reply #524 on: May 30, 2017, 05:31:13 pm »
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Temer lost the support of 4 more parties the parties are:

Brazilian Socialist Party (PSB)
Popular Socialist Party (PPS)
Podemos (Formerly PTN)
Humanist Solidarity Party (PHS)


Together the 4 parties have 66 deputies.

These are pretty hilarious names for pro-Temer parties.

Party names in Brazil and Portugal tend to be confusing.
I think Brazil beats us in that category. Wink
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