Welcome, Guest. Please login or register.
Did you miss your activation email?
September 23, 2014, 11:29:23 pm
HomePredMockPollEVCalcAFEWIKIHelpLogin Register
News: Please delete your old personal messages.

+  Atlas Forum
|-+  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion
| |-+  Election What-ifs?
| | |-+  International What-ifs (Moderators: Bacon King, Dallasfan65)
| | | |-+  How would you have voted? Germany
« previous next »
Pages: [1] 2 3 Print
Author Topic: How would you have voted? Germany  (Read 3289 times)
Jerseyrules
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 2476
United States


View Profile
« on: February 04, 2012, 04:06:58 pm »
Ignore

Because I couldn't find a thread for Germany, here's a new one.  Presidential or parliamentary.  And go
Logged

Drink Too Much:
http://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=147022.0

An Empire of Stars and Stripes:

http://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=156974.0

Quote
FOOL!  I AM Cathcon!

Endorsements:
President: Hillary Clinton
Governor: Brown (CA), Corbett (PA), Scott (FL)
House: Emken (CA)
Other: Rob McCoy (CA Assembly)

---------------------------------------

Libertarian Internationalist Monarchist
Jerseyrules
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 2476
United States


View Profile
« Reply #1 on: February 04, 2012, 04:24:48 pm »
Ignore

Pretty much CDU/CSU until 2005, then switch to FDP.
Logged

Drink Too Much:
http://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=147022.0

An Empire of Stars and Stripes:

http://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=156974.0

Quote
FOOL!  I AM Cathcon!

Endorsements:
President: Hillary Clinton
Governor: Brown (CA), Corbett (PA), Scott (FL)
House: Emken (CA)
Other: Rob McCoy (CA Assembly)

---------------------------------------

Libertarian Internationalist Monarchist
Antonio V
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 30954
France


Political Matrix
E: -6.45, S: -4.87

P P

View Profile
« Reply #2 on: February 04, 2012, 04:42:04 pm »
Ignore

SPD traditionally (only non-right party), the Greens or Die Linke since the 90s.
Logged

Quote from: IRC
22:15   ComradeSibboleth   this is all extremely terrible and in all respects absolutely fycking dire.

It really is.



"A reformist is someone who realizes that, when you bang your head on a wall, it's the head that breaks rather than the wall."

Peppino, from the movie Baaria
ℒief
Lief
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 32732
Dominica


View Profile
« Reply #3 on: February 05, 2012, 05:05:40 pm »
Ignore

KPD during Weimar, SPD after the war until the 1980s, Green until 2010, Green/Piraten swing voter since then.
Logged

It seems like Lief's posts sometimes have a sexual tint to them. I've definitely seen references to spanking more than once.
Princess Kenny
Kalwejt
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 37018


View Profile
« Reply #4 on: February 05, 2012, 05:08:31 pm »
Ignore

The people don't really vote for President, FTR.
Logged

RedPrometheus
Full Member
***
Posts: 195


View Profile
« Reply #5 on: February 09, 2012, 05:58:09 am »
Ignore

SPD all the way Wink
Logged

Political Matrix

E: -7,74
S: -5,22
Swedish Cheese
JOHN91043353
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 3786
Sweden


Political Matrix
E: 2.71, S: -4.00

View Profile
« Reply #6 on: February 09, 2012, 07:09:43 am »
Ignore

2009 - CDU
2005 - CDU

2002 - FDP
1998 - SDP
1994 - CDU
1990 - CDU

1987 - Greens
1983 - FDP
1980 - FDP
1976 - FDP
1972 - FDP
1969 - FDP

1965 - CDU
1961 - FDP
1957 - CDU
1953 - CDU
1949 - CDU
Logged

Antonio V
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 30954
France


Political Matrix
E: -6.45, S: -4.87

P P

View Profile
« Reply #7 on: February 09, 2012, 09:33:22 am »
Ignore

2009 - CDU
2005 - CDU

2002 - FDP
1998 - SDP
1994 - CDU
1990 - CDU

1987 - Greens
1983 - FDP
1980 - FDP
1976 - FDP
1972 - FDP
1969 - FDP

1965 - CDU
1961 - FDP
1957 - CDU
1953 - CDU
1949 - CDU


Why would a right-winger who supported SPD in 1998 not support them again in 2002 ?
Logged

Quote from: IRC
22:15   ComradeSibboleth   this is all extremely terrible and in all respects absolutely fycking dire.

It really is.



"A reformist is someone who realizes that, when you bang your head on a wall, it's the head that breaks rather than the wall."

Peppino, from the movie Baaria
Swedish Cheese
JOHN91043353
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 3786
Sweden


Political Matrix
E: 2.71, S: -4.00

View Profile
« Reply #8 on: February 09, 2012, 12:48:39 pm »
Ignore

2009 - CDU
2005 - CDU

2002 - FDP
1998 - SDP
1994 - CDU
1990 - CDU

1987 - Greens
1983 - FDP
1980 - FDP
1976 - FDP
1972 - FDP
1969 - FDP

1965 - CDU
1961 - FDP
1957 - CDU
1953 - CDU
1949 - CDU


Why would a right-winger who supported SPD in 1998 not support them again in 2002 ?

Well the reason I see myself supporting the SDP in '98 is not only because of the party's 3rd way centrism and moderation but also as a "it's time to retire Kohl" vote. His government had been in power too long and Germany needed some fresh air, by 2002 there was no longer any such need.     
Logged

Antonio V
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 30954
France


Political Matrix
E: -6.45, S: -4.87

P P

View Profile
« Reply #9 on: February 09, 2012, 04:15:00 pm »
Ignore

2009 - CDU
2005 - CDU

2002 - FDP
1998 - SDP
1994 - CDU
1990 - CDU

1987 - Greens
1983 - FDP
1980 - FDP
1976 - FDP
1972 - FDP
1969 - FDP

1965 - CDU
1961 - FDP
1957 - CDU
1953 - CDU
1949 - CDU


Why would a right-winger who supported SPD in 1998 not support them again in 2002 ?

Well the reason I see myself supporting the SDP in '98 is not only because of the party's 3rd way centrism and moderation but also as a "it's time to retire Kohl" vote. His government had been in power too long and Germany needed some fresh air, by 2002 there was no longer any such need.     

"Let's have left-wingers win elections once every 30 years, just for fun's sake. But only for one term, otherwise they might be tempted to enact left-wing policies." Wink
Logged

Quote from: IRC
22:15   ComradeSibboleth   this is all extremely terrible and in all respects absolutely fycking dire.

It really is.



"A reformist is someone who realizes that, when you bang your head on a wall, it's the head that breaks rather than the wall."

Peppino, from the movie Baaria
Swedish Cheese
JOHN91043353
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 3786
Sweden


Political Matrix
E: 2.71, S: -4.00

View Profile
« Reply #10 on: February 10, 2012, 04:45:24 am »
Ignore

2009 - CDU
2005 - CDU

2002 - FDP
1998 - SDP
1994 - CDU
1990 - CDU

1987 - Greens
1983 - FDP
1980 - FDP
1976 - FDP
1972 - FDP
1969 - FDP

1965 - CDU
1961 - FDP
1957 - CDU
1953 - CDU
1949 - CDU


Why would a right-winger who supported SPD in 1998 not support them again in 2002 ?

Well the reason I see myself supporting the SDP in '98 is not only because of the party's 3rd way centrism and moderation but also as a "it's time to retire Kohl" vote. His government had been in power too long and Germany needed some fresh air, by 2002 there was no longer any such need.     

"Let's have left-wingers win elections once every 30 years, just for fun's sake. But only for one term, otherwise they might be tempted to enact left-wing policies." Wink

Yeah that actually sums it up pretty well.
Logged

Jerseyrules
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 2476
United States


View Profile
« Reply #11 on: February 18, 2012, 08:44:13 pm »
Ignore

2009 - CDU
2005 - CDU

2002 - FDP
1998 - SDP
1994 - CDU
1990 - CDU

1987 - Greens
1983 - FDP
1980 - FDP
1976 - FDP
1972 - FDP
1969 - FDP

1965 - CDU
1961 - FDP
1957 - CDU
1953 - CDU
1949 - CDU


Why would a right-winger who supported SPD in 1998 not support them again in 2002 ?

Well the reason I see myself supporting the SDP in '98 is not only because of the party's 3rd way centrism and moderation but also as a "it's time to retire Kohl" vote. His government had been in power too long and Germany needed some fresh air, by 2002 there was no longer any such need.     

"Let's have left-wingers win elections once every 30 years, just for fun's sake. But only for one term, otherwise they might be tempted to enact left-wing policies." Wink

Actually yeah, now you've got it! Wink
Logged

Drink Too Much:
http://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=147022.0

An Empire of Stars and Stripes:

http://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=156974.0

Quote
FOOL!  I AM Cathcon!

Endorsements:
President: Hillary Clinton
Governor: Brown (CA), Corbett (PA), Scott (FL)
House: Emken (CA)
Other: Rob McCoy (CA Assembly)

---------------------------------------

Libertarian Internationalist Monarchist
asexual trans victimologist
Nathan
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 12530


View Profile
« Reply #12 on: February 18, 2012, 09:07:02 pm »
Ignore

2009 - CDU
2005 - CDU

2002 - FDP
1998 - SDP
1994 - CDU
1990 - CDU

1987 - Greens
1983 - FDP
1980 - FDP
1976 - FDP
1972 - FDP
1969 - FDP

1965 - CDU
1961 - FDP
1957 - CDU
1953 - CDU
1949 - CDU


Why would a right-winger who supported SPD in 1998 not support them again in 2002 ?

Well the reason I see myself supporting the SDP in '98 is not only because of the party's 3rd way centrism and moderation but also as a "it's time to retire Kohl" vote. His government had been in power too long and Germany needed some fresh air, by 2002 there was no longer any such need.     

"Let's have left-wingers win elections once every 30 years, just for fun's sake. But only for one term, otherwise they might be tempted to enact left-wing policies." Wink

Actually yeah, now you've got it! Wink

I feel the same way about right-wingers, so no worries. Wink
Logged

A shameless agrarian collectivist with no respect for private property or individual rights.

His idea of freedom is - it is a bad thing and should be stopped at all costs.

Nathan-land.  As much fun as watching paint dry... literally.
Jerseyrules
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 2476
United States


View Profile
« Reply #13 on: February 18, 2012, 09:27:20 pm »
Ignore

2009 - CDU
2005 - CDU

2002 - FDP
1998 - SDP
1994 - CDU
1990 - CDU

1987 - Greens
1983 - FDP
1980 - FDP
1976 - FDP
1972 - FDP
1969 - FDP

1965 - CDU
1961 - FDP
1957 - CDU
1953 - CDU
1949 - CDU


Why would a right-winger who supported SPD in 1998 not support them again in 2002 ?

Well the reason I see myself supporting the SDP in '98 is not only because of the party's 3rd way centrism and moderation but also as a "it's time to retire Kohl" vote. His government had been in power too long and Germany needed some fresh air, by 2002 there was no longer any such need.     

"Let's have left-wingers win elections once every 30 years, just for fun's sake. But only for one term, otherwise they might be tempted to enact left-wing policies." Wink

Actually yeah, now you've got it! Wink

I feel the same way about right-wingers, so no worries. Wink

Haha, anything to prevent the silent landslide Wink
Logged

Drink Too Much:
http://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=147022.0

An Empire of Stars and Stripes:

http://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=156974.0

Quote
FOOL!  I AM Cathcon!

Endorsements:
President: Hillary Clinton
Governor: Brown (CA), Corbett (PA), Scott (FL)
House: Emken (CA)
Other: Rob McCoy (CA Assembly)

---------------------------------------

Libertarian Internationalist Monarchist
Antonio V
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 30954
France


Political Matrix
E: -6.45, S: -4.87

P P

View Profile
« Reply #14 on: February 19, 2012, 06:09:23 am »
Ignore

2009 - CDU
2005 - CDU

2002 - FDP
1998 - SDP
1994 - CDU
1990 - CDU

1987 - Greens
1983 - FDP
1980 - FDP
1976 - FDP
1972 - FDP
1969 - FDP

1965 - CDU
1961 - FDP
1957 - CDU
1953 - CDU
1949 - CDU


Why would a right-winger who supported SPD in 1998 not support them again in 2002 ?

Well the reason I see myself supporting the SDP in '98 is not only because of the party's 3rd way centrism and moderation but also as a "it's time to retire Kohl" vote. His government had been in power too long and Germany needed some fresh air, by 2002 there was no longer any such need.     

"Let's have left-wingers win elections once every 30 years, just for fun's sake. But only for one term, otherwise they might be tempted to enact left-wing policies." Wink

Actually yeah, now you've got it! Wink

I feel the same way about right-wingers, so no worries. Wink

Me too. That's why I'm growing concerned about Sweden. Tongue
Logged

Quote from: IRC
22:15   ComradeSibboleth   this is all extremely terrible and in all respects absolutely fycking dire.

It really is.



"A reformist is someone who realizes that, when you bang your head on a wall, it's the head that breaks rather than the wall."

Peppino, from the movie Baaria
Niemeyerite
JulioMadrid
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 6590
Spain


View Profile
« Reply #15 on: February 19, 2012, 10:05:39 am »
Ignore

SPD all the way Wink

More or less this. Hoever, I could imagine myself voting Green or Left in 2002...
Logged

My evolution (by The Political Matrix):
E: -6.06 -> -6.97 -> -6.97 -> -8.13 -> -7.29 -> -8.26 -> -8.65 -> -7.03
S: -6.78 -> -6.09 -> -7.30 -> -7.13 -> -8.09 -> -8.35 -> -9.04 -> -8.61
Jerseyrules
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 2476
United States


View Profile
« Reply #16 on: February 21, 2012, 11:04:15 pm »
Ignore

2009 - CDU
2005 - CDU

2002 - FDP
1998 - SDP
1994 - CDU
1990 - CDU

1987 - Greens
1983 - FDP
1980 - FDP
1976 - FDP
1972 - FDP
1969 - FDP

1965 - CDU
1961 - FDP
1957 - CDU
1953 - CDU
1949 - CDU


Why would a right-winger who supported SPD in 1998 not support them again in 2002 ?

Well the reason I see myself supporting the SDP in '98 is not only because of the party's 3rd way centrism and moderation but also as a "it's time to retire Kohl" vote. His government had been in power too long and Germany needed some fresh air, by 2002 there was no longer any such need.     

"Let's have left-wingers win elections once every 30 years, just for fun's sake. But only for one term, otherwise they might be tempted to enact left-wing policies." Wink

Actually yeah, now you've got it! Wink

I feel the same way about right-wingers, so no worries. Wink

Me too. That's why I'm growing concerned about Sweden. Tongue

Why, what's going on in Sweden?
Logged

Drink Too Much:
http://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=147022.0

An Empire of Stars and Stripes:

http://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=156974.0

Quote
FOOL!  I AM Cathcon!

Endorsements:
President: Hillary Clinton
Governor: Brown (CA), Corbett (PA), Scott (FL)
House: Emken (CA)
Other: Rob McCoy (CA Assembly)

---------------------------------------

Libertarian Internationalist Monarchist
Antonio V
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 30954
France


Political Matrix
E: -6.45, S: -4.87

P P

View Profile
« Reply #17 on: February 22, 2012, 04:36:25 am »
Ignore

2009 - CDU
2005 - CDU

2002 - FDP
1998 - SDP
1994 - CDU
1990 - CDU

1987 - Greens
1983 - FDP
1980 - FDP
1976 - FDP
1972 - FDP
1969 - FDP

1965 - CDU
1961 - FDP
1957 - CDU
1953 - CDU
1949 - CDU


Why would a right-winger who supported SPD in 1998 not support them again in 2002 ?

Well the reason I see myself supporting the SDP in '98 is not only because of the party's 3rd way centrism and moderation but also as a "it's time to retire Kohl" vote. His government had been in power too long and Germany needed some fresh air, by 2002 there was no longer any such need.     

"Let's have left-wingers win elections once every 30 years, just for fun's sake. But only for one term, otherwise they might be tempted to enact left-wing policies." Wink

Actually yeah, now you've got it! Wink

I feel the same way about right-wingers, so no worries. Wink

Me too. That's why I'm growing concerned about Sweden. Tongue

Why, what's going on in Sweden?

The left coalition has lost their second election in a row and is still down in the polls. The Social Democrats' leader proved to be an epic fail and resigned recently, leaving the party which once never got below 40% with around 20% of support.
Logged

Quote from: IRC
22:15   ComradeSibboleth   this is all extremely terrible and in all respects absolutely fycking dire.

It really is.



"A reformist is someone who realizes that, when you bang your head on a wall, it's the head that breaks rather than the wall."

Peppino, from the movie Baaria
Jerseyrules
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 2476
United States


View Profile
« Reply #18 on: February 26, 2012, 01:18:00 pm »
Ignore


The left coalition has lost their second election in a row and is still down in the polls. The Social Democrats' leader proved to be an epic fail and resigned recently, leaving the party which once never got below 40% with around 20% of support.

Ah.  Well sucks to be a lefty up there!
Logged

Drink Too Much:
http://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=147022.0

An Empire of Stars and Stripes:

http://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=156974.0

Quote
FOOL!  I AM Cathcon!

Endorsements:
President: Hillary Clinton
Governor: Brown (CA), Corbett (PA), Scott (FL)
House: Emken (CA)
Other: Rob McCoy (CA Assembly)

---------------------------------------

Libertarian Internationalist Monarchist
tell me the Pilate's died and we're no longer alone
Pingvin99
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 2378
Estonia


View Profile
« Reply #19 on: April 22, 2012, 03:43:55 am »
Ignore

1867-1919: Free Conservative
1919-1933: German National People's
1949-1953: Christian Democratic
1953-1965: Deutsche Rechtspartei
1965-1990: National Democratic (as protest because there are no normal right in Germany)
1990-now: Republicans
Logged

Sibboleth
Realpolitik
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 56638
Saint Helena


View Profile WWW
« Reply #20 on: April 22, 2012, 05:33:20 am »
Ignore

No, I think we all know who you would have voted for in the 1930s...
Logged

"I have become entangled in my own data, and my conclusion stands in direct contradiction to the initial idea from which I started. Proceeding from unlimited freedom, I end with unlimited despotism. I will add, however, that there can be no solution of the social formula except mine."
Carlos Danger
wormyguy
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 8402
Liechtenstein


View Profile
« Reply #21 on: April 22, 2012, 10:52:53 am »
Ignore

1871: Deutsche Fortschrittspartei
1874: Deutsche Fortschrittspartei
1877: Deutsche Fortschrittspartei or Liberale Vereinigung
1878: Deutsche Fortschrittspartei or Liberale Vereinigung
1881: Deutsche Fortschrittspartei or Liberale Vereinigung
1884: Deutsche Freisinnige Partei
1887: Deutsche Freisinnige Partei
1890: Deutsche Freisinnige Partei
1893: Freisinnige Volkspartei
1898: Freisinnige Volkspartei
1903: Freisinnige Volkspartei
1907: Freisinnige Volkspartei
1912: Fortschrittliche Volkspartei
1919: Deutsche Demokratische Partei
1920: Deutsche Demokratische Partei
May 1924: Deutsche Demokratische Partei
Dec 1924: Deutsche Demokratische Partei
1925 President: Willy Hellpach round 1, Wilhelm Marx round 2
Referendum 1926: Abstain.
1928: Deutsche Demokratische Partei
Referendum 1928: Yes.
Referendum 1929: Yes.
1930: Reichspartei des deutschen Mittelstandes
1932 President: Theodor Duesterberg round 1 (better the evil you don't know in this case...), Paul von Hindenberg round 2
July 1932: Reichspartei des deutschen Mittelstandes
November 1932: Reichspartei des deutschen Mittelstandes
March 1933: Deutsche Staatspartei or Sozialdemokratische Partei Deutschlands with hindsight
November 1933: spoil ballot
Referendum 1933: No. (protest vote)
East German election 1946: Liberal-Demokratische Partei Deutschlands
1949: Freie Demokratische Partei
1953: Freie Demokratische Partei
1957: Freie Demokratische Partei
1961: Freie Demokratische Partei
1965: Freie Demokratische Partei
1969: Christlich-Soziale Union in Bayern (you are able to vote for them in other parts of Germany, right?)
1972: Christlich-Soziale Union in Bayern
1976: Christlich-Soziale Union in Bayern
1979 European: Christlich-Soziale Union in Bayern
1980: Freie Demokratische Partei
1983: Freie Demokratische Partei
1984 European: Christlich-Soziale Union in Bayern
1987: Freie Demokratische Partei
1989 European: Die Republikaner
1990 East Germany: Deutsche Soziale Union
1990: Freie Demokratische Partei
1994 European: Die Republikaner
1994: Freie Demokratische Partei
1998: Freie Demokratische Partei
1999 European: Die Republikaner
2002: Freie Demokratische Partei
2004 European: Die Republikaner
2005: Freie Demokratische Partei
2009 European: Die Republikaner
2009: Freie Demokratische Partei
Logged

Jerseyrules
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 2476
United States


View Profile
« Reply #22 on: April 23, 2012, 04:45:40 pm »
Ignore

No, I think we all know who you would have voted for in the 1930s...

Not.  Nice.  Tongue

Plus there weren't elections then in the sense that there was only one name on the ballot....
Logged

Drink Too Much:
http://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=147022.0

An Empire of Stars and Stripes:

http://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=156974.0

Quote
FOOL!  I AM Cathcon!

Endorsements:
President: Hillary Clinton
Governor: Brown (CA), Corbett (PA), Scott (FL)
House: Emken (CA)
Other: Rob McCoy (CA Assembly)

---------------------------------------

Libertarian Internationalist Monarchist
Jerseyrules
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 2476
United States


View Profile
« Reply #23 on: April 23, 2012, 04:48:57 pm »
Ignore

1871: Deutsche Fortschrittspartei
1874: Deutsche Fortschrittspartei
1877: Deutsche Fortschrittspartei or Liberale Vereinigung
1878: Deutsche Fortschrittspartei or Liberale Vereinigung
1881: Deutsche Fortschrittspartei or Liberale Vereinigung
1884: Deutsche Freisinnige Partei
1887: Deutsche Freisinnige Partei
1890: Deutsche Freisinnige Partei
1893: Freisinnige Volkspartei
1898: Freisinnige Volkspartei
1903: Freisinnige Volkspartei
1907: Freisinnige Volkspartei
1912: Fortschrittliche Volkspartei
So I guess up till Hitler, essentially Bismarck-esque parties?
Logged

Drink Too Much:
http://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=147022.0

An Empire of Stars and Stripes:

http://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=156974.0

Quote
FOOL!  I AM Cathcon!

Endorsements:
President: Hillary Clinton
Governor: Brown (CA), Corbett (PA), Scott (FL)
House: Emken (CA)
Other: Rob McCoy (CA Assembly)

---------------------------------------

Libertarian Internationalist Monarchist
Carlos Danger
wormyguy
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 8402
Liechtenstein


View Profile
« Reply #24 on: April 23, 2012, 10:48:12 pm »
Ignore

So I guess up till Hitler, essentially Bismarck-esque parties?

Uh no, they were the anti-Bismarck liberals.  The pro-Bismarck "liberals" were the Nationalliberalen.
Logged

Pages: [1] 2 3 Print 
« previous next »
Jump to:  


Login with username, password and session length

Logout

Powered by SMF 1.1.19 | SMF © 2013, Simple Machines