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« on: January 07, 2005, 05:18:37 am »
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Interesting story about the growing number of Americans who appear to be realizing what they did in November:
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story2&u=/ap/20050107/ap_on_go_pr_wh/bush_poll

Apparently 49% approve of Bush.  Not a big difference from the number that voted for him, but apparently about 1.75% of the electorate has come to their senses, alas too late.  Or maybe they always disapproved of him, just hated homosexuals or sentient candidates even more...
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« Reply #1 on: January 07, 2005, 10:39:03 am »
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People were evenly divided on Bush's handling of the economy. They take a dim view of his handling of Iraq, with 44 percent approving and 54 percent disapproving, according to the poll of 1,001 adults. It was taken Jan. 3-5 and has a margin of sampling error of plus or minus 3 percentage points.

This is the second time in two days you posted an article without bothering to read it.

Granted, the article is extremely misleading, greatly overstates the significance of the poll, and serves as a perfect example of why the AP is a liberal joke.
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« Reply #2 on: January 07, 2005, 11:52:32 am »
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Another poll had a 48% approval rating.
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« Reply #3 on: January 07, 2005, 11:53:28 am »
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People were evenly divided on Bush's handling of the economy. They take a dim view of his handling of Iraq, with 44 percent approving and 54 percent disapproving, according to the poll of 1,001 adults. It was taken Jan. 3-5 and has a margin of sampling error of plus or minus 3 percentage points.

This is the second time in two days you posted an article without bothering to read it.

Granted, the article is extremely misleading, greatly overstates the significance of the poll, and serves as a perfect example of why the AP is a liberal joke.

That's well outside the margin of error.
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« Reply #4 on: January 07, 2005, 11:56:27 am »
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No, 49% is not outside the margin of error for 51%, and it's a poll of adults, not likely voters.

Another poll had 54%.
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« Reply #5 on: January 07, 2005, 11:58:44 am »
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The sampling error part is not important.  The fact that the poll was of 1,000 adults[/b] certainly is.

It would certainly make me put less, if any trust in this poll.
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« Reply #6 on: January 07, 2005, 12:00:20 pm »
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No, 49% is not outside the margin of error for 51%, and it's a poll of adults, not likely voters.

Another poll had 54%.

The Iraq 54-44 was outside the margin.

Anyways, if you pool the 48% and the 49% polls you get 48.5% with a MOE of 2%.
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« Reply #7 on: January 07, 2005, 12:04:39 pm »
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SamSpade, of course the margin of error is important. He's talking about Bush getting 2% less approval than he got of the vote, in a poll with a 3% MOE.

Iraq is outside the margin of error, but that's not what opebo is talking about.

Anyway, this is adults. Not likely voters.

No sign of buyer's remorse.
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« Reply #8 on: January 07, 2005, 12:10:01 pm »
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I think Bush's re-election might end up disastrous for the Republicans.

Sort of like  Thune-Johnson, Thune-Daschle.
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« Reply #9 on: January 07, 2005, 12:21:58 pm »
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I think Bush's re-election might end up disastrous for the Democrats.

Kind of like, well, 2004.
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« Reply #10 on: January 07, 2005, 12:36:48 pm »
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Bush's Inauguration Day approval ratings may be the worst of any president in modern-day history.

Ride a wave of discontent, Bush is turning out to be a mix of LBJ and Carter with a dash of Nixon.

He's back by unpopular demand
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« Reply #11 on: January 07, 2005, 12:40:39 pm »
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Arbitrary.
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« Reply #12 on: January 07, 2005, 08:38:53 pm »
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oh my.  the democrats never cease to humor me.

wonder what john kerry's approval numbers are?  oh wait...nevermind...no one really gives a rat's behind about kerry.  he is a footnote in history. 
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« Reply #13 on: January 08, 2005, 10:43:24 am »
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oh my. the democrats never cease to humor me.

wonder what john kerry's approval numbers are? oh wait...nevermind...no one really gives a rat's behind about kerry. he is a footnote in history.

 the only thing that's worse, in my opnion, than a one party system is a two party one.

i believe that america is going to regret electing bush for a second term and i think that the rest of the world is going to regret it more.

You really need to sort out your election system, it's a mess.
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« Reply #14 on: January 08, 2005, 04:45:01 pm »
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A two party system is worse than a one party system? 

I'm pretty sure Hittler, Saddam, and Stalin would all agree with you 100%.
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« Reply #15 on: January 08, 2005, 06:18:19 pm »
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You have got to remember that approval is only part of the equation.  When people vote it's a question of who do like better between the two.  If given a choice between two candidates, some of those people are going to say, "I don't really approve of him (whomever "him" is), but he's better than the other candidate."

Nixon, from what I remember, was not particularly popular in early 1972, but his popularity soared when he was compared to McGovern.
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« Reply #16 on: January 08, 2005, 06:25:38 pm »
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oh my. the democrats never cease to humor me.

wonder what john kerry's approval numbers are? oh wait...nevermind...no one really gives a rat's behind about kerry. he is a footnote in history.

 the only thing that's worse, in my opnion, than a one party system is a two party one.

i believe that america is going to regret electing bush for a second term and i think that the rest of the world is going to regret it more.

You really need to sort out your election system, it's a mess.

Typical european.  Unable to comprehend how anyone can disagree with them, they advocate dictatorship.
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« Reply #17 on: January 09, 2005, 04:03:37 pm »
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One-Party systems are needed here.

People are only GOP or Democrat because thier parents were, we'd avoid that mess.

Politics is essentially a race between which side can produce the most babies.
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« Reply #18 on: January 09, 2005, 07:56:32 pm »
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What only 49% approval rating, well who gives a crap hes got 4 more years

but hey maybe if you whine loud enough bush will send the black helecopters to put you out of your miserable existence
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« Reply #19 on: January 12, 2005, 08:48:36 am »
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'likely voters' has almost no importance in whether you approve or not, especially in a President's second term.
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« Reply #20 on: January 12, 2005, 07:07:59 pm »
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A two party system is worse than a one party system? 

I'm pretty sure Hittler, Saddam, and Stalin would all agree with you 100%.

USA is in many way a One Party System on the Congressional level.  Vast sections of House Seats are uncompetitive.  In State Legislative elections, almost 40% of seats are uncontested.  40% of USA on the State Legislative level are One Party regimes, although at different places the "One Party" is different.
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« Reply #21 on: January 12, 2005, 07:33:36 pm »
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I do believe the REAL buyers remorse is that you democrats picked kerry who failed no?
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« Reply #22 on: January 13, 2005, 09:38:18 am »
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A two party system is worse than a one party system? 

I'm pretty sure Hittler, Saddam, and Stalin would all agree with you 100%.

USA is in many way a One Party System on the Congressional level. Vast sections of House Seats are uncompetitive. In State Legislative elections, almost 40% of seats are uncontested. 40% of USA on the State Legislative level are One Party regimes, although at different places the "One Party" is different.

A definite problem, but not how i'd describe it to be honest Wink
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« Reply #23 on: January 16, 2005, 02:53:20 pm »
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Bush approval is at 53 percent.  Up from 49 in December.  Read it and weep Bush haters. 

http://www.time.com/time/press_releases/article/0,8599,1018033,00.html
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« Reply #24 on: January 16, 2005, 03:00:12 pm »
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Yep.

Iraq job approval: 45% (up from 41% in Sept.)
Economy job approval: 51% (up from 40% in Sept.)
War on Terror job approval: 56% (up from 49% in Sept.)
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