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« on: February 05, 2012, 06:29:59 PM »

http://www.cnn.com/2012/02/05/world/americas/venezuela-argentina-dispute/index.html

''It's time for Latin America to come up with sanctions against this confused power intent on imperialism and colonialism in the 21st century, I think we should take more concrete actions,'' said Ecuador's President Rafael Correa.

He was referring to the refusal of Great Britain to accept 40 UN resolutions calling for dialogue between London and Buenos Aires, which Argentina had accepted but the UK hadn't.

''Why the asymmetry? If a Latin American country had disobeyed a UN resolution, how many sanctions would be leveled against us?'' asked Correa.

''Argentina won't be alone this time if the British Empire decides to attack it militarily,'' said the Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez, confirming that his country isn't a major power but ''we have a few weapons, and the will to combat any imperialist agression''.
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« Reply #1 on: February 05, 2012, 08:34:17 PM »

And does anyone care about the people who live there and what they want?
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« Reply #2 on: February 05, 2012, 09:02:41 PM »

Yeah, an escalation of diplomatic squabbles has been on the rise for the past 2 or 3 months, I'm sick of it by now (and bored), but considering the 30Th anniversary of the war is coming I guess this won't exactly go away.

And I blame both sides for this escalation. The usual Argie government talk is bad enough, but now we also get from the British government the completely hilarious concept that Argentina may invade the Falklands or sh**t like that. Even going as far as having the PM of friggin Britain calling Argentina "Colonialists" Tongue

Of course the biggest story in this respect at least around here is the whole thing of Brazil, Chile and Uruguay refusing ships with the Falklands flag from docking in their ports and voicing support for us.

Naturally the jingoistic press here says what a great achievement is this and the amount of support we have in the region, while the jingoistic press up there says how this is a "Blockade" and an act of war. LOL

In reality as far as I know if the ships change the flag of the Falklands and put something else (like the UK flag for instance) they are allowed to dock, which looks like a pretty lame attempt at a "Blockade" Grin

If there were some chance of a real war actually happening then this would be a little more interesting, but since we are not going to invade the Falklands again and the British won't invade us if we don't, this is highly soporific.
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« Reply #3 on: February 05, 2012, 09:44:54 PM »

Can't those islands just colllapse into sea?
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« Reply #4 on: February 05, 2012, 10:32:17 PM »

I don't see what Argentina has to gain from drumming up anti-British sentiment, except another embarassing loss in a second Falklands war.
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« Reply #5 on: February 06, 2012, 12:13:11 AM »

I don't see what Argentina has to gain from drumming up anti-British sentiment, except another embarassing loss in a second Falklands war.

Drumming up nationalism during ongoing economic problems is so common it's a cliche.
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« Reply #6 on: February 06, 2012, 01:03:02 AM »

I don't see what Argentina has to gain from drumming up anti-British sentiment, except another embarassing loss in a second Falklands war.

Look a little harder, perhaps. It's not going to come to war because Argentina isn't run by a collapsing military dictatorship.
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« Reply #7 on: February 06, 2012, 01:36:08 AM »

As a Latin American, I would like to express a wholehearted and most sincere support for the British government and the people of the Falklands on this issue.
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« Reply #8 on: February 06, 2012, 02:05:54 AM »
« Edited: February 06, 2012, 04:03:40 AM by redcommander »

I don't see what Argentina has to gain from drumming up anti-British sentiment, except another embarassing loss in a second Falklands war.

Look a little harder, perhaps. It's not going to come to war because Argentina isn't run by a collapsing military dictatorship.

It most likely won't, but it seems silly that there's been a recent effort to criticize Britain on the issue.  CFK is popular, and the economy is stable. There isn't a need for a nationalist Malvinas movement to be gaining traction and yet it is.
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« Reply #9 on: February 06, 2012, 04:22:44 AM »

And does anyone care about the people who live there and what they want?
Why should they? Nobody'd care if you want your apartment to be part of Prince Edward Island, either.
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« Reply #10 on: February 06, 2012, 05:34:50 AM »

What? Really? There should be no Inksing discussion, the islands are British, and until the population decide otherwise, they should stay that way.
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« Reply #11 on: February 06, 2012, 06:58:40 AM »

And does anyone care about the people who live there and what they want?
Why should they? Nobody'd care if you want your apartment to be part of Prince Edward Island, either.
Are you comparing the democratic rights of thousands of falkland islanders to "Teddy's Apartment"
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« Reply #12 on: February 06, 2012, 10:16:09 AM »

And does anyone care about the people who live there and what they want?
Why should they? Nobody'd care if you want your apartment to be part of Prince Edward Island, either.
Are you comparing the democratic rights of thousands of falkland islanders to "Teddy's Apartment"
Well, I was pushing the argument to its logical conclusion.

Claims of fullsize fishing zones around such colonial remnants (as also St Pierre et Miquelon) should certainly not be allowed... which happens to be one of the Falklands' four sources of income, along with wool, cruise ship fools, and lavish gifts from the British taxpayer (via the garrison). Wonder how Falklanders would think if they payed British taxes, did not have that half of their population that is either soldiers or directly working for them (and mostly British, there for a couple of years, rather than Falklander...) ... and did not have the unhelpful Argentinian attitude and economic policies to contend with. Yeah. That can't be helpin' either.
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« Reply #13 on: February 06, 2012, 01:11:52 PM »

Argentina has not exactly made them feel welcome over the years, yeah...
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« Reply #14 on: February 06, 2012, 01:39:01 PM »

Would giving the Argentinians the rights to the sea around the Falklands, while keeping the actual land British be a solution? Or would that just anger everyone?
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« Reply #15 on: February 06, 2012, 01:50:52 PM »

Would giving the Argentinians the rights to the sea around the Falklands, while keeping the actual land British be a solution? Or would that just anger everyone?

The thing is I can't see any reason Argentina "deserves" the Falklands, or even the surrounding waters.
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« Reply #16 on: February 06, 2012, 06:36:43 PM »


The thing is I can't see any reason Argentina "deserves" the Falklands, or even the surrounding waters.

Planting 3,000 colonists on an island nowhere near Great Britain doesn't in any way mean Great Britain ''deserves'' the Falklands either.

Argentinians deserve the Falklands the same way we'd reject France controlling Long Island. They don't want the British Empire in their back yard, claiming rights over the waters in that area. They've had enough of empires bossing them around.
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« Reply #17 on: February 06, 2012, 08:40:05 PM »
« Edited: February 06, 2012, 08:41:48 PM by ag »

The last empire to have "bossed them around" was Spain. And, actually, if you think about it, had that empire not planted a fairly trivial number of colonists halfway accross the world, Argentina, as we know it, would not have existed. In fact, if you think about it again, the ancestors of many, if not most, Argentinians have, probably, spent even less time in that part of the world than the ancestors of most Falklanders: the bulk of that country's population are fairly late arrivals by any standards.

The people of the Falklands deserve as much the right of self-determination as the people of Argentina. And they have chosen to exercise that right by staying a dependent territory of the United Kingdom. There is no reason to believe that the UK would not have let them go free, had they asked for that. Likewise there is no reason for the islands to be Argentinian - no more reason, than for Buenos Aires to be British, that is.

And, BTW, Canada does not seem to object to St. Pierre and Miquelon being French, does it?
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« Reply #18 on: February 07, 2012, 05:59:47 AM »

Yeah, I never saw an objectively good argument for the Argentinian point of view on the Falklands.
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« Reply #19 on: February 07, 2012, 11:08:28 AM »


The thing is I can't see any reason Argentina "deserves" the Falklands, or even the surrounding waters.

Planting 3,000 colonists on an island nowhere near Great Britain doesn't in any way mean Great Britain ''deserves'' the Falklands either.

Argentinians deserve the Falklands the same way we'd reject France controlling Long Island. They don't want the British Empire in their back yard, claiming rights over the waters in that area. They've had enough of empires bossing them around.

We'll give it back when the American Empire gives Japan the Marianas and Cuba Guantanamo.
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« Reply #20 on: February 07, 2012, 11:11:01 AM »


The thing is I can't see any reason Argentina "deserves" the Falklands, or even the surrounding waters.

Planting 3,000 colonists on an island nowhere near Great Britain doesn't in any way mean Great Britain ''deserves'' the Falklands either.
Exactly. Neither side has the slightest claim to even morally grey ground. It's all black vs black.
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« Reply #21 on: February 07, 2012, 11:11:35 AM »

We'll give it back when the American Empire gives Japan the Marianas and Cuba Guantanamo.

Both of those things should happen.

Can you imagine if Cuba had a city in Florida where they tortured political prisoners?
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« Reply #22 on: February 07, 2012, 11:13:23 AM »

We'll give it back when the American Empire gives Japan the Marianas and Cuba Guantanamo.

Both of those things should happen.

Can you imagine if Cuba had a city in Florida where they tortured political prisoners?

True.
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« Reply #23 on: February 07, 2012, 11:53:42 AM »

The obvious solution is for the British to sell the island (for free while buying out the settlers) to the Tehuelche who then would prevent all Argentine access to the Islands and declare them an independent state. Obvious solution really.
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« Reply #24 on: February 07, 2012, 12:17:31 PM »

The obvious solution is for the British to sell the island (for free while buying out the settlers) to the Tehuelche who then would prevent all Argentine access to the Islands and declare them an independent state. Obvious solution really.

I would be more in favor of the indigenous people of Argentina kicking the whites out of Argentina and relegating them to the Falklands.

Kicking indigenous people out of the country and relegating them to some island that has nothing to do with them, sounds pretty whack.
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