Ninth Circuit rules Prop 8 unconstitutional.

[Fmr President & Senator Polnut]

You have to determine that a fetus is a legal person first if you want to use the Fourteenth that way.

Nobody of note has ever denied that gays and lesbians are legal persons.

Give JCL time.

[Хahar 🤔]

I turned on the TV a minute ago and saw a guy I know speaking. His parents were plaintiffs in the case. This is the closest I've ever been to being tangentially related to something interesting, so that's cool.

[True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자)]

The will of the people of California is that gay marriage be banned. The Federal Government has no right to legislate from the bench. Article One Section Eight of the Constitution says nothing regarding social issues thus the Tenth Amendment is invoked thus the Ninth Circuit was in the wrong regarding this decision. They said it (the ban) violates the 14th Amendment. If the left wants to play that game, we on the right can use that to ban ALL abortions.

Given how the XIVth Amendment indirectly defines personhood with its definition of citizen, a XIVth Amendment based decision could lead to all abortions being legal, including those of fetuses that have reached viability.

[🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸]

To suggest the possibility at any time is paranoia.

We're psychologising the use of counterfactuals to pose a contrast now? 

Philosophy professors everywhere, you are forewarned. 

[milhouse24]

Its idiotic to argue over the semantics of marriage if someone wants to change the definition of marriage to mean platonic marriage. 

We should all just follow the rules of "Common Law Marriage" or "natural marriage by nature"

If a man and a woman live together and have a biological child, then they are married by the rules and regulations of Common Law Marriage.  Its really is that simple!

If a man impregnates a woman, while there may not be a legal contract, there should be a social and moral contract forcing the man to financially provide for the woman and his biological children.  Its really that simple! 

Everyone else is just looking for government handouts and protection from whatever. 

[World politics is up Schmitt creek]

I was with you until the last paragraph. 'Government handouts and protection from whatever' are perfectly reasonable things for two people who want to live and enjoy life together to seek.

[Bacon King]

The will of the people of California is that gay marriage be banned. The Federal Government has no right to legislate from the bench. Article One Section Eight of the Constituition says nothing regarding social issues thus the Tenth Amendment is invoked thus the Ninth Circuit was in the wrong regarding this decision. They said it (the ban) violates the 14th Amendment. If the left wants to play that game, we on the right can use that to ban ALL abortions.

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How is taking the right to get married away from gays not a state "making or enforcing a law abridging the priveleges... of citizens of the United States," and how exactly can you ban abortion with an amendment that defines personhood at birth?

[SUSAN CRUSHBONE]

The will of the people of California is that gay marriage be banned. The Federal Government has no right to legislate from the bench. Article One Section Eight of the Constituition says nothing regarding social issues thus the Tenth Amendment is invoked thus the Ninth Circuit was in the wrong regarding this decision. They said it (the ban) violates the 14th Amendment. If the left wants to play that game, we on the right can use that to ban ALL abortions.

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How is taking the right to get married away from gays not a state "making or enforcing a law abridging the priveleges... of citizens of the United States,"

Well, tbf, if you take that literally, it means that no state could ever raise taxes, because that would be making a low abridging the privileges of some citizens to pay low taxes.

[Free Palestine]

52% isn't the "will of the people."  I'm not a fan of populist bullshart.

[Ban my account ffs!]

The will of the people of California is that gay marriage be banned. The Federal Government has no right to legislate from the bench. Article One Section Eight of the Constituition says nothing regarding social issues thus the Tenth Amendment is invoked thus the Ninth Circuit was in the wrong regarding this decision. They said it (the ban) violates the 14th Amendment. If the left wants to play that game, we on the right can use that to ban ALL abortions.

The will of the people is utterly meaningless and irrelevant in private matters that do not affect "the people" in any way whatsoever.

The will of the North Korean People is that eternal president great leader Kim Il Sung be forever praised for bringing glory to the working Korean people....

The will of the North Korean People can go straight down to hell in this case as far as I'm concerned, along with all the prying eyes of uptight bigots who can't keep their hands out of other peoples' bedrooms.

[King]

A liberal muslim homosexual ACLU lawyer professor and abortion doctor was teaching a class on Karl Marx.

"Before the class begins, you must get on your knees and worship Marx and accept that he was the most highly-evolved being the world has ever known, even greater than Jesus Christ!"

At this moment, a brave, patriotic, pro-life Navy SEAL champion who had served 1500 tours of duty and understood the necessity of war and fully supported all military decision made by the United States stood up and held up a rock.

"How old is this rock?"

The arrogant professor smirked quite Jewishly and smugly replied, "4.6 billion years, you stupid Christian".

"Wrong. It's been 5,000 years since God created it. If it was 4.6 billion years old and evolution, as you say, is real... then it should be an animal now"

The professor was visibly shaken, and dropped his chalk and copy of Origin of the Species. He stormed out of the room crying those liberal crocodile tears.

The students applauded and all registered Republican that day and accepted Jesus as their lord and savior. An eagle named "Small Government" flew into the room and perched atop the American Flag and shed a tear on the chalk. The pledge of allegiance was read several times, and God himself showed up and enacted a flat tax rate across the country.

The professor lost his tenure and was fired the next day. He died of the gay plague AIDS and was tossed into the lake of fire for all eternity.

[Joe Republic]

^ True story.

[Snowstalker Mk. II]

The will of the people of California is that gay marriage be banned. The Federal Government has no right to legislate from the bench. Article One Section Eight of the Constituition says nothing regarding social issues thus the Tenth Amendment is invoked thus the Ninth Circuit was in the wrong regarding this decision. They said it (the ban) violates the 14th Amendment. If the left wants to play that game, we on the right can use that to ban ALL abortions.

The will of white Mississippians was that them uppity negro-folk stay in their place. So was the end of Jim Crow wrong?

[opebo]

The will of the people of California is that gay marriage be banned. The Federal Government has no right to legislate from the bench. Article One Section Eight of the Constituition says nothing regarding social issues thus the Tenth Amendment is invoked thus the Ninth Circuit was in the wrong regarding this decision. They said it (the ban) violates the 14th Amendment. If the left wants to play that game, we on the right can use that to ban ALL abortions.

The will of white Mississippians was that them uppity negro-folk stay in their place. So was the end of Jim Crow wrong?

The lesson is rather obvious - democracy is bad.

[Fmr President & Senator Polnut]

To suggest the possibility at any time is paranoia.

We're psychologising the use of counterfactuals to pose a contrast now? 

Philosophy professors everywhere, you are forewarned. 

Indeed...

[Small Business Owner of Any Repute]

lol.

[Free Palestine]

lol.

Bawwwwwwwwwwwww

A liberal muslim homosexual ACLU lawyer professor and abortion doctor was teaching a class on Karl Marx.

"Before the class begins, you must get on your knees and worship Marx and accept that he was the most highly-evolved being the world has ever known, even greater than Jesus Christ!"

At this moment, a brave, patriotic, pro-life Navy SEAL champion who had served 1500 tours of duty and understood the necessity of war and fully supported all military decision made by the United States stood up and held up a rock.

"How old is this rock?"

The arrogant professor smirked quite Jewishly and smugly replied, "4.6 billion years, you stupid Christian".

"Wrong. It's been 5,000 years since God created it. If it was 4.6 billion years old and evolution, as you say, is real... then it should be an animal now"

The professor was visibly shaken, and dropped his chalk and copy of Origin of the Species. He stormed out of the room crying those liberal crocodile tears.

The students applauded and all registered Republican that day and accepted Jesus as their lord and savior. An eagle named "Small Government" flew into the room and perched atop the American Flag and shed a tear on the chalk. The pledge of allegiance was read several times, and God himself showed up and enacted a flat tax rate across the country.

The professor lost his tenure and was fired the next day. He died of the gay plague AIDS and was tossed into the lake of fire for all eternity.

*clap clap*

[The Mikado]

A liberal muslim homosexual ACLU lawyer professor and abortion doctor was teaching a class on Karl Marx.

"Before the class begins, you must get on your knees and worship Marx and accept that he was the most highly-evolved being the world has ever known, even greater than Jesus Christ!"

At this moment, a brave, patriotic, pro-life Navy SEAL champion who had served 1500 tours of duty and understood the necessity of war and fully supported all military decision made by the United States stood up and held up a rock.

"How old is this rock?"

The arrogant professor smirked quite Jewishly and smugly replied, "4.6 billion years, you stupid Christian".

"Wrong. It's been 5,000 years since God created it. If it was 4.6 billion years old and evolution, as you say, is real... then it should be an animal now"

The professor was visibly shaken, and dropped his chalk and copy of Origin of the Species. He stormed out of the room crying those liberal crocodile tears.

The students applauded and all registered Republican that day and accepted Jesus as their lord and savior. An eagle named "Small Government" flew into the room and perched atop the American Flag and shed a tear on the chalk. The pledge of allegiance was read several times, and God himself showed up and enacted a flat tax rate across the country.

The professor lost his tenure and was fired the next day. He died of the gay plague AIDS and was tossed into the lake of fire for all eternity.

That student grew up to be Albert Einstein, who became famous for proving that compound interest in the most powerful force in the universe.

[○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└]

52% isn't the "will of the people."  I'm not a fan of populist bullshart.

And that 52% was of the people who showed up to vote over 3 years ago. I bet a Proposition repealing it could pass if it was on the ballot this November.

[Oswald Acted Alone, You Kook]

Aww.... this means it's not going to be state-by-state, which is more exciting.

[World politics is up Schmitt creek]

It doesn't mean that. The ruling was tailored to (a) specify that the situation discussed was just the one in California through reference to the specifics of what was done there and (b) make the Supremes less inclined to grant cert.

[milhouse24]

There are serious legal and bureaucratic issues faced with implementing gay marriage on a federal and national level.  Even if gay marriage was legalized nationally, it will take several years for gay marriage to be implemented among the many government programs that it effects.  Federal regulators are correct in analyzing how it effects state governments at the local level before deciding if it can be implemented on a federal level.  There are significant legal issues that differ between state and national laws, and while it may seem like happy times for gay marriage supporters, it will be a bureaucratic nightmare for federal employees tasked with enforcing the rules and regulations of spousal agreements. 

[World politics is up Schmitt creek]

There are serious legal and bureaucratic issues faced with implementing gay marriage on a federal and national level.  Even if gay marriage was legalized nationally, it will take several years for gay marriage to be implemented among the many government programs that it effects.  Federal regulators are correct in analyzing how it effects state governments at the local level before deciding if it can be implemented on a federal level.  There are significant legal issues that differ between state and national laws, and while it may seem like happy times for gay marriage supporters, it will be a bureaucratic nightmare for federal employees tasked with enforcing the rules and regulations of spousal agreements. 

Two questions:

How?
Why?

[Free Palestine]

There are serious legal and bureaucratic issues faced with implementing gay marriage on a federal and national level.  Even if gay marriage was legalized nationally, it will take several years for gay marriage to be implemented among the many government programs that it effects.  Federal regulators are correct in analyzing how it effects state governments at the local level before deciding if it can be implemented on a federal level.  There are significant legal issues that differ between state and national laws, and while it may seem like happy times for gay marriage supporters, it will be a bureaucratic nightmare for federal employees tasked with enforcing the rules and regulations of spousal agreements. 

No it won't.  Marriage will legally be the same fecking thing, just with the requirement of a penis or a vagina removed.

Hurr

[Grumpier Than Thou]

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