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« Reply #50 on: July 24, 2012, 01:29:44 am »
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Once we get enough states on the ballot and majority of them pass, that will send a message to the Federal govt. that it's time to fully legalize.

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« Reply #51 on: July 24, 2012, 01:44:45 am »
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In case you don't read the WA thread, SUSA says pot legalization is up 23 (yes, 23!) in Washington.

http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollReport.aspx?g=2786ebbd-3348-4795-b0a8-0ee124a9707d
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« Reply #52 on: July 24, 2012, 09:38:12 pm »
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A good breakdown of the WA/OR/CO initiatives: http://nationalcannabiscoalition.com/2012/07/comparing-marijuana-legalization-measures-in-oregon-colorado-and-washington-state/

In case you don't read the WA thread, SUSA says pot legalization is up 23 (yes, 23!) in Washington.

http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollReport.aspx?g=2786ebbd-3348-4795-b0a8-0ee124a9707d

Good poll numbers for Washington. Looks to be the most favored to pass so far.
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« Reply #53 on: July 26, 2012, 08:07:51 pm »
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In case you missed it: The Los Angeles City Council voted to shut down all pot dispensaries in the city within 45 days.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/07/26/what-will-los-angeles-ban-on-medical-marijuana-dispensaries-mean.html

My favorite dispensary is in LA. Sad
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« Reply #54 on: July 27, 2012, 01:51:43 am »
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« Reply #55 on: July 27, 2012, 02:11:20 am »
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Oregon SoS says the other legalization initiative (IP-24) doesn't have enough signatures: https://twitter.com/oregonelections/status/228536743425630208

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Initiative Petition 24 (Marijuana) failed to gather enough valid signatures to qualify for the November ballot.

Looks like Arkansas might have a medical marijuana initiative too: http://www.news-leader.com/viewart/20120706/NEWS07/307060083/Arkansas-medical-marijuana-backers-submit-petitions

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Arkansans for Compassionate Care, the group backing the proposed marijuana act, submitted 11,000 pages of petitions that they say have 67,885 signatures. Initiated acts need at least 62,507 signatures from registered voters to appear on the ballot.

The group was the first of six backing ballot measures to submit signatures ahead of Friday’s deadline. The secretary of state’s office will spend the next few days making an initial rough count, and then has 30 days to verify the signatures.

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If Arkansans for Compassionate Care falls short after the verification process, it’ll have 30 more days to gather additional signatures.
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« Reply #56 on: July 27, 2012, 02:44:31 am »
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In case you missed it: The Los Angeles City Council voted to shut down all pot dispensaries in the city within 45 days.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/07/26/what-will-los-angeles-ban-on-medical-marijuana-dispensaries-mean.html

My favorite dispensary is in LA. Sad

Complete idiots. At least San Jose had the sense to back down on their ban but I fear this may embolden them. Deliveries are the way to go I guess. I also wonder how the idiots are planning on replacing the sales tax revenue they get from these shops. I guess the LA city council wants to give more money to the Mexican Mafia.
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« Reply #57 on: July 27, 2012, 02:57:15 am »
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Isn’t this bad news for a city that can use every ounce (ahem) of revenue it can find?

It sure is, says Don Duncan, the California director of Americans for Safe Access. Not only do dispensaries pay sales tax (which goes to the state), but they pay the city a business-licensing fee of five percent of gross receipts. Revenue from dispensaries generated $2 million in revenue for Los Angeles in just the first quarter of 2012.

So what the hell is the point of this?
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« Reply #58 on: July 27, 2012, 11:27:20 am »
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Isn’t this bad news for a city that can use every ounce (ahem) of revenue it can find?

It sure is, says Don Duncan, the California director of Americans for Safe Access. Not only do dispensaries pay sales tax (which goes to the state), but they pay the city a business-licensing fee of five percent of gross receipts. Revenue from dispensaries generated $2 million in revenue for Los Angeles in just the first quarter of 2012.

So what the hell is the point of this?

Maybe what Los Angeles needs is a separate sales tax on Marijuana. I think that is one of the reasons the dispensaries survived in San Jose, because there is an additional 7% tax slapped on by the city on top of the regular sales tax.
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« Reply #59 on: August 11, 2012, 07:19:27 pm »
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http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2018898246_marijaunaofm11m.html

The state government estimates that legalizing marijuana could bring up to $1.9 billion in revenue to Washington over five years... Shocked
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« Reply #60 on: August 11, 2012, 08:50:14 pm »
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According to the dispensary I visit, only certain establishments are being shuttered. This is supposedly an effort to give the police teeth to shut down the dispensaries that sell more than just weed.

And even if they did shutter them all, there's always West Hollywood.
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« Reply #61 on: August 11, 2012, 09:06:42 pm »
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I actually don't mind them cracking down on the shady places, provided they do just that.
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« Reply #62 on: August 18, 2012, 10:30:31 pm »
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http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2018898246_marijaunaofm11m.html

The state government estimates that legalizing marijuana could bring up to $1.9 billion in revenue to Washington over five years... Shocked

I wonder what makes the Washington measure worth so much more? The Oregon proposal claims to be about $120-150 million annually and the Colorado measure was just scored at a similar number ($60-100m / yr): http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/16/legalized-marijuana-could_n_1791448.html

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If marijuana is legalized in Colorado, a new report suggests that it could be a boon for the state, generating nearly $60 million in revenue for the state in the first year of legalization with that figure projected to grow to around $100 million dollars after five years.

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Also I missed the action in North Dakota. They might have a medical marijuana ballot initiative too: http://www.sfgate.com/news/article/ND-likely-to-debate-medical-marijuana-proposal-3766081.php

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BISMARCK, N.D. (AP) — North Dakota voters are likely to have a chance this fall to decide whether marijuana may be used legally as a pain reliever, an option the Legislature has never addressed and that South Dakotans have rejected twice.

Supporters of medical marijuana have been circulating a citizen initiative to put the issue on the November ballot. On Monday, Dave Schwartz, campaign director for a pro-medical marijuana group called North Dakotans for Compassionate Care, delivered petitions that he said contained about 20,000 signatures to North Dakota Secretary of State Al Jaeger's office.

The petitions need about 13,500 signatures from North Dakota voters for the initiative to qualify for a vote. Jaeger has about a month to review the petitions and decide whether they are valid.
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« Reply #63 on: August 18, 2012, 10:32:32 pm »
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The $1.9b figure was over five years, which comes out to around $380m annually. Once you account for Washington being close to twice the size of Oregon, the numbers really aren't too wildly different.
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« Reply #64 on: August 18, 2012, 10:37:59 pm »
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For some reason I read it as 'over three years' Tongue

The Colorado numbers do seem a bit lower though.

EDIT: Just looked over the numbers for California's initiative from 2010 and the $1.4b/yr figure is in line with the others when you consider California's population is about 10x of Oregon's: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_Proposition_19_%282010%29#Fiscal_impact

So a rough estimate is that the states are losing out on $10-15 billion a year in direct tax revenues? That's about 1.3-2.0% of the total taxes they collect every year: http://www2.census.gov/govs/statetax/11staxrank.pdf

And that's just new revenue. There would be spending reductions as well in things like incarceration.
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« Reply #65 on: September 07, 2012, 11:56:20 am »
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46% Obama, 44% Romeny, 5% Gary Johnson
Amendment 64: 47% support, 38% oppose, 15% undecided

Marijuana legalization is doing better than Obama or Romney in CO. Awwwww yeah.
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« Reply #66 on: September 08, 2012, 07:19:22 pm »
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so odds are at least one of these will pass.  then it's on Obama to send the military West and keep the prison-industrial complex booming without a hiccup.
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« Reply #67 on: September 21, 2012, 12:45:17 am »
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Greenforest, whats the situation in Oregon look like?
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« Reply #68 on: September 21, 2012, 01:41:42 am »
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Greenforest, whats the situation in Oregon look like?

There's been virtually no advertising beyond a state representative and the former Secretary of State endorsing it: http://www.wweek.com/portland/article-19599-mari_wanna.html

It's losing in the polls already:

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/main/2012/07/oregon-divided-on-gay-marriage.html

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Q3 In general, do you think marijuana usage
should be legal or illegal?
Legal............................................................... 43%
Illegal .............................................................. 46%
Not sure .......................................................... 11%

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On Measure 80, which would allow adults to grow and possess marijuana, and allow state-licensed stores to grow and sell marijuana to adults, are you ...? Certain to vote yes? Certain to vote no? Or not certain?

Yes - 37%
No - 41%
Not certain - 22%

I think it will fail come election day but it will probably get more than the 26% the last legalization measure got in 1986: http://ballotpedia.org/wiki/index.php/Oregon_Ballot_Measure_5_%281986%29
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« Reply #69 on: September 21, 2012, 08:35:39 pm »
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The Oregon initiative is very poorly worded/written. Minors for example would be able to purchase marijuana plant seeds.

Eventhough I personally am in favor of legalization I would probably vote against it.
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« Reply #70 on: September 21, 2012, 11:23:38 pm »
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The Oregon initiative is very poorly worded/written. Minors for example would be able to purchase marijuana plant seeds.

Eventhough I personally am in favor of legalization I would probably vote against it.

Is that really any different than how alcohol is treated in some states?

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An aspect of Measure 80 some might find more than a little surprising is that the seeds for marijuana could legally be sold at your local 7 Dees or the Portland Nursery. This is because all seeds are classified as hemp, which is unregulated under the measure.

Even 12- or 16-year-olds, who are otherwise restricted under the Cannabis Tax Act from possessing marijuana, could legally buy seeds.

The measure’s sponsor, Paul Stanford, isn’t perturbed by this. “It’s the same way a kid can make wine or beer these days,” he says. “Except once they have the wine or beer, it’s illegal. Like when I was a kid in Dallas, Texas, I bought a wine-making kit at a local store. I never got around to making the wine, though.”

Seems like a minor issue that could be addressed later anyway if it turns out to be such a big deal. I'll be voting yes as I think the measure as a whole represents a net improvement compared to the status quo.
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« Reply #71 on: September 22, 2012, 04:18:05 pm »
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The Oregon initiative is very poorly worded/written. Minors for example would be able to purchase marijuana plant seeds.

Eventhough I personally am in favor of legalization I would probably vote against it.

Is that really any different than how alcohol is treated in some states?

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An aspect of Measure 80 some might find more than a little surprising is that the seeds for marijuana could legally be sold at your local 7 Dees or the Portland Nursery. This is because all seeds are classified as hemp, which is unregulated under the measure.

Even 12- or 16-year-olds, who are otherwise restricted under the Cannabis Tax Act from possessing marijuana, could legally buy seeds.

The measure’s sponsor, Paul Stanford, isn’t perturbed by this. “It’s the same way a kid can make wine or beer these days,” he says. “Except once they have the wine or beer, it’s illegal. Like when I was a kid in Dallas, Texas, I bought a wine-making kit at a local store. I never got around to making the wine, though.”

Seems like a minor issue that could be addressed later anyway if it turns out to be such a big deal. I'll be voting yes as I think the measure as a whole represents a net improvement compared to the status quo.

You don't pass bad laws, better to try again and have some somewhat competent actually write it.
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« Reply #72 on: September 22, 2012, 07:58:27 pm »
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Well beyond that provision which I don't think is really bad enough that it should sink the entire initiative, it doesn't seem much worse than the Washington or Colorado measures.

Aside from the state-run store requirement, it's actually more permissive on the provisions like hemp and possession limits but maybe that's the problem for a state that doesn't even have dispensaries? At least that's the impression I get when I see some of their donation ads:



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Yeah and I'm pretty sure the Nebraska legalization measure didn't make the ballot. Their main site (http://www.neprop19.org/) is down and the signature deadline has already passed: http://ballotpedia.org/wiki/index.php/Nebraska_2012_ballot_measures
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« Reply #73 on: October 05, 2012, 12:21:21 am »
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I hear talk that Connecticut is officially okay with medical cannabis. Cheesy
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« Reply #74 on: October 10, 2012, 02:41:54 am »
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http://blog.norml.org/2012/10/09/one-month-before-the-election-colorado-marijuana-legalization-still-up-ten-points/

I could see a 2016 legalization measure do well in Massachusetts: http://blog.norml.org/2012/10/09/massachusetts-medical-marijuana-initiative-set-to-win-in-a-landslide/

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Recent polling data released by the Boston Globe has Massachusetts’ Medical Marijuana Initiative, Question 3, winning by a landslide.

A survey of 502 likely Massachusetts voters, conducted between September 21 and September 27, has support for Question 3 at 69%, with just 22% opposed and 9% undecided. Every single demographic has majority support for the ballot question, with the lowest being Republicans at 51% and the highest being Democrats at 78%.
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