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Author Topic: Will the 2016 Democratic Nominee be to the left or right of Obama?  (Read 2589 times)
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« on: February 15, 2012, 01:13:29 am »
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I'm genuinely curious. I think that a lot of displeased progressives may focus their attention on a "grassroots, insurgent-type" candidate again, as many obviously believe Obama has not governed with them. On the other hand, the Democratic establishment may force through a more electable candidate, with centrist credentials, as they will probably be fearful of not being to appeal to more conservative Democrats. With Obama not on the ticket, it seems fairly likely that black turnout is reduced, which will probably make North Carolina and Georgia more favorable to the GOP. And if the wrong candidate is nominated, several core votes (labor, latte, et cetera) may be turned off.

So, what do you (especially Dems) think the path forward is? A more moderate candidate, or a more liberal candidate?
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« Reply #1 on: February 15, 2012, 07:15:41 am »
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Schweitzer. Depending on how you look at him, he could be a Blue Dog or a progressive.
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« Reply #2 on: February 16, 2012, 07:28:40 pm »
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All the favourites (barring Gilliband and O'Malley) appear to be moderates.....
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« Reply #3 on: February 16, 2012, 07:30:41 pm »
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Probably to the right. Regardless, I'll be supporting Cuomo or Schweitzer most likely. Smiley
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« Reply #4 on: February 16, 2012, 09:45:56 pm »
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Schweitzer. Depending on how you look at him, he could be a Blue Dog or a progressive.
It depends if he can win his re-election in Montana.
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« Reply #5 on: February 16, 2012, 09:56:48 pm »
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Schweitzer. Depending on how you look at him, he could be a Blue Dog or a progressive.
It depends if he can win his re-election in Montana.
Schweitzer's term-limited isn't he?
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« Reply #6 on: February 17, 2012, 12:50:29 am »
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Schweitzer. Depending on how you look at him, he could be a Blue Dog or a progressive.
It depends if he can win his re-election in Montana.
Schweitzer's term-limited isn't he?
Hmm. But there will be a left-wing alternative if the rest of the field is centrists. Kucinich might even get 25-30% if nobody else decides to run(Feingold). Warren might also get quite a large following.
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« Reply #7 on: February 17, 2012, 08:07:24 am »
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« Reply #8 on: February 17, 2012, 02:20:31 pm »
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Schweitzer. Depending on how you look at him, he could be a Blue Dog or a progressive.
It depends if he can win his re-election in Montana.

He's term-limited. Even if he weren't, he'd easily win a third term.
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« Reply #9 on: February 17, 2012, 03:28:02 pm »
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Feingold will be my default choice if he runs in 2016.  If not, I'm a little split between Cuomo, Kaine, and Schweitzer.  I could support one of them or even neither of them.
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« Reply #10 on: February 17, 2012, 07:21:34 pm »
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It's difficult to say.

Tell me if the following politicians are what you'd call to Obama's left or right.

Andrew Cuomo
Martin O'Malley
Brian Schweitzer


...It really gets hard, doesn't it?
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« Reply #11 on: February 21, 2012, 01:06:14 pm »
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They're going to have to be to the right if they want to win in America circa 2016.
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« Reply #12 on: February 22, 2012, 06:37:55 pm »
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They're going to have to be to the right if they want to win in America circa 2016.
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« Reply #13 on: February 22, 2012, 07:40:28 pm »
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So, what do you (especially Dems) think the path forward is? A more moderate candidate, or a more liberal candidate?

Someone who can obfuscate enough to avoid being labeled one or the other definitively.
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« Reply #14 on: February 22, 2012, 11:07:30 pm »
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It's difficult to say.

Tell me if the following politicians are what you'd call to Obama's left or right.

Andrew Cuomo
Martin O'Malley
Brian Schweitzer


...It really gets hard, doesn't it?

Cuomo is to Obama's right on most issues but there are of course exceptions. Economically he's too right-wing for me to consider supporting in a primary. O'Malley strikes me as quite similar to Obama but I could be missing something. Schweitzer is for the most part substantively to the left of Obama except on those issues that someone in Montana specifically has to pander on but with an odd Western populist-libertarian streak that makes him hard to pin down stylistically. I really like Schweitzer.

...You're right, this is hard.
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« Reply #15 on: February 23, 2012, 08:54:08 am »
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Cuomo: Right
O'Malley: Left
Schweitzer: Left, though on the Montana issues (guns) he's to the right
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« Reply #16 on: February 23, 2012, 01:56:16 pm »
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I'd say slightly to the left, but only because I want Bennet to run and win. Cheesy
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« Reply #17 on: February 23, 2012, 11:59:16 pm »
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I'd say about the same.
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« Reply #18 on: March 02, 2012, 02:13:30 am »
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To get to the left of Obama you'd have to nominate George Soros. There can't possibly be more than 5 people on our continent to his left and besides, if Obama wins this year, I can guarantee he leads without a care for what the public thinks and only screws his party's chances for 2016. Under those circumstances, having a candidate like George Soros or Dennis Kucinich doesn't seem to help at all. We'll have to wait and see who the elders and donors of the Democratic Party decide is going to be their nominee by that point.
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« Reply #19 on: March 02, 2012, 09:08:26 pm »
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To get to the left of Obama you'd have to nominate George Soros. There can't possibly be more than 5 people on our continent to his left and besides, if Obama wins this year, I can guarantee he leads without a care for what the public thinks and only screws his party's chances for 2016. Under those circumstances, having a candidate like George Soros or Dennis Kucinich doesn't seem to help at all. We'll have to wait and see who the elders and donors of the Democratic Party decide is going to be their nominee by that point.
So your essentially saying he's a communist. Very original.

Schweitzer is the perfect nominee for the Dems in 2016. I'd say he's slightly more to the left on economic/energy issues, but to the right on gun control.
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« Reply #20 on: March 02, 2012, 09:29:26 pm »
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The Dems will not choose someone more "authoritarian" in 2016, like Klobuchar or Cuomo.
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« Reply #21 on: March 03, 2012, 07:29:21 am »
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Schweitzer would be the best nominee, particularly because he is somewhat ambiguous on whether he is to the left or the right. He is certainly to the left on issues like energy independence, but to the right on issues like gun control. He can appeal to liberals as well as rural areas that might otherwise lean Republican.
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« Reply #22 on: March 03, 2012, 05:19:25 pm »
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To get to the left of Obama you'd have to nominate George Soros. There can't possibly be more than 5 people on our continent to his left and besides, if Obama wins this year, I can guarantee he leads without a care for what the public thinks and only screws his party's chances for 2016.

>mfw you know absolutely nothing about the Obama presidency or the opposition to him from the left.
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« Reply #23 on: March 03, 2012, 09:19:34 pm »
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To get to the left of Obama you'd have to nominate George Soros. There can't possibly be more than 5 people on our continent to his left and besides, if Obama wins this year, I can guarantee he leads without a care for what the public thinks and only screws his party's chances for 2016. Under those circumstances, having a candidate like George Soros or Dennis Kucinich doesn't seem to help at all. We'll have to wait and see who the elders and donors of the Democratic Party decide is going to be their nominee by that point.
So your essentially saying he's a communist. Very original.

Schweitzer is the perfect nominee for the Dems in 2016. I'd say he's slightly more to the left on economic/energy issues, but to the right on gun control.

That sounds far to the right of Obama.
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« Reply #24 on: March 03, 2012, 09:20:25 pm »
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To get to the left of Obama you'd have to nominate George Soros. There can't possibly be more than 5 people on our continent to his left and besides, if Obama wins this year, I can guarantee he leads without a care for what the public thinks and only screws his party's chances for 2016.

>mfw you know absolutely nothing about the Obama presidency or the opposition to him from the left.

I measure opposition in votes not voice! Let them vote for someone else if they think he's so bad.
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