What years does the Obama Years remind you of?

[opebo]

Reminds me of the Hoover years.

I think the theme song of the administration should be Glenn Miller's "Those were the days".

Well, the issue is confused by the fact that we have no Left in american politics to turn to to cure the Right-caused depression - we did then apparently, after a fashion.

[courts]

Well its a depression, so none of those others.

[Wisconsin+17]

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Debt is now 100 percent of the US GDP - guess what - if unemployment bounces up again (it's back up above 9 again), the Democrat party is finished for a generation.

I had a great job in the Bush years. Then the BO years rolled around - and they have stank up the joint. Gas is spiking again - the money that I do have in my pocket is worth less, and I still don't have as good of a job as I had in the Bush era.

Like the good man said - am I better now than I was 4 years ago? Hell no.

[Bacon King]

The thing is while I get the Obama = Carter meme is popular since that was the last Democratic President who was an abject failure, there really aren't much points of comparison at all. The characteristics of the Carter administration (in popular perception) were rising unemployment, a disastrous foreign policy, out of control inflation and a complete lack of legislative accomplishment. How do any of those match up with the current incumbent?

I've been listening to conservative talk radio a fair amount lately, and one of the biggest things they tend to push about Obama (besides the "radical socialist who is destroying America" bit) is the fabrication of parallels between him and Carter. It's very widespread.

[Wisconsin+17]

True - He's more like Woodrow Wilson.

[Sasquatch]

The Obama years feel nothing like 1990's. If anything they feel like a continuation of the George W. Bush years.

[Yank2133]

True - He's more like Woodrow Wilson.

How?

They are nothing alike.

[Rules for me, but not for thee]

The Carter Years are the closest.  Obama was a bit more successful with foreign intervention (he got Osama, finally) but still didn't live up to closing Gitmo or pulling out of Afghanistan.  Oh, and there's the whole spying on and detaining Americans things where he's no different from Bush.

The economy repaired itself into the Reagan administration - since interest rates were raised to compensate for printing money.  Instead, now we're just devaluing our currency and the world's getting ready to dump the USD as the world reserve currency.  Then, sh**t will really hit the fan. 

Some key differences.  And now what we need is another Thomas Jefferson or Andrew Jackson. 

[King]

Guys, I ended this thread.  Why is it still going on?

[TheGlobalizer]

Carter malaise + Bush profligacy

And I see nothing noteworthy about Obama's foreign policy beyond lip service and being the western world's token black.

[Beet]

The economy repaired itself into the Reagan administration - since interest rates were raised to compensate for printing money.

No- in the 1980s, we started creating money by debt rather than by printing. 90% of the money in the world is created this way. But it is less stable than the other way. The negative effects can take decades to materialize, whereas if printing is excessive, the negative effects show up right away. In the past few years, we largely paused creating money by debt, and we printed a small amount to cushion the blow initially. But this is limited.

By the way, some $7 trillion of what the US has printed has been soaked up in the form of reserves. The US is in a unique position here, and the dollar cannot be compared to a normal currency. The Fed is in a way Central Banker to the world, Central Bank of the Central Banks. Just look at the way the rest of them run to the Fed for swaps.

[I'm JewCon in name only.]

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Debt is now 100 percent of the US GDP - guess what - if unemployment bounces up again (it's back up above 9 again), the Democrat party is finished for a generation.

I had a great job in the Bush years. Then the BO years rolled around - and they have stank up the joint. Gas is spiking again - the money that I do have in my pocket is worth less, and I still don't have as good of a job as I had in the Bush era.

Like the good man said - am I better now than I was 4 years ago? Hell no.

The ridiculousness, and historical ignorance of this statement is really astounding. If the GOP was able to recover from the Great Depression, how the hell would this economy devastate the democrats for a generation?

* Democratic, not Democrat.

[Wisconsin+17]

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http://www.americanthinker.com/2010/03/obama_and_wilson.html

[Wisconsin+17]

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1932-1952 = 20 years.

[Badger]

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http://www.americanthinker.com/2010/03/obama_and_wilson.html

That is the greatest article of fail I've read since.....ever.

[Oakvale]

The bizarre obsession with Woodrow Wilson is one of the most entertaining features of the freak show that is the populist American Right. I assume Glenn Beck is responsible.

[Yank2133]

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http://www.americanthinker.com/2010/03/obama_and_wilson.html

There is so much fail in that article I don't know where to begin.

[Yank2133]

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Debt is now 100 percent of the US GDP - guess what - if unemployment bounces up again (it's back up above 9 again), the Democrat party is finished for a generation.

I had a great job in the Bush years. Then the BO years rolled around - and they have stank up the joint. Gas is spiking again - the money that I do have in my pocket is worth less, and I still don't have as good of a job as I had in the Bush era.

Like the good man said - am I better now than I was 4 years ago? Hell no.

The ridiculousness, and historical ignorance of this statement is really astounding. If the GOP was able to recover from the Great Depression, how the hell would this economy devastate the democrats for a generation?

* Democratic, not Democrat.

Hell, the GOP took the burden of the blame just sinking the economy back in 2008......yet two years later they had a rout in the mid-terms.  It is really stupid to suggest the Democrats could be out of power for a generation especially given the demographics are heavily in their favor.

If any party is on it's way to irrelevance it is the GOP not the Democrats.

[Oakvale]

Having read as much as I could stomach of that trainwreck of an article I'm convinced the solution to all that ails America is rounding up the publishers and readers of the American Thinker and putting them in isolated prison camps in Alaska far away from intelligent life.

[Wisconsin+17]

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Last I checked it was Pelosi who was Speaker back in 2008.

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Put it this way- the workforce as a percentage of the population is just 1.5 percent higher than in 1955. The workforce as a percentage of the population has declined all the way back to 1983.

So not only has Obama successfully doubled the US debt, he's also successfully pared back most of the gains over the last 20 years.

Sure unemployment is down - but those who are not working continues to increase. The greatest president since WW2 at putting women in kitchens having children is Barack Obama. He's also the greatest president at putting black men and women out of work.

Funny that?

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Maybe back in 2008. He's lost 15 points among young people who have born the brunt of his policies which are designed to push marginal workers out of the workforce. These folks aren't going to long forget who was in power when they were struggling.

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Hey Barack had it all. Supermajorities in Congress and the Senate. A blank check to fix the economy. A blank check to do whatever he wanted whenever he wanted.

And what has he done? If he were able to convert 100 percent of what he spent into the economy, we'd be seeing about 7 percent growth. Instead, we've seen 1, maybe a half percent? Obama had a free ride and a free lunch, and he even managed to screw it up. Now we have all the credit card debt coming due, and that will have to be paid off before anything can be done to start the recovery.

It will take about 20-30 years to pay off what took Obama two years to rack up.

[Ⓐnarchy in the ☭☭☭P!]

The (early) Hoover years

[Yank2133]

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Last I checked it was Pelosi who was Speaker back in 2008.

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Put it this way- the workforce as a percentage of the population is just 1.5 percent higher than in 1955. The workforce as a percentage of the population has declined all the way back to 1983.

So not only has Obama successfully doubled the US debt, he's also successfully pared back most of the gains over the last 20 years.

Sure unemployment is down - but those who are not working continues to increase. The greatest president since WW2 at putting women in kitchens having children is Barack Obama. He's also the greatest president at putting black men and women out of work.

Funny that?

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Maybe back in 2008. He's lost 15 points among young people who have born the brunt of his policies which are designed to push marginal workers out of the workforce. These folks aren't going to long forget who was in power when they were struggling.

If any party is on it's way to irrelevance it is the GOP not the Democrats.

1. Who was President in 2008, it sure as hell wasn't Bill Clinton. Look at polling, Bush is the one who gets the burnt of the blame for the economic collapse which had a negative effect on his party and John McCain back 2008. Even if you look at polling today, people still hold Bush responsible for the economic problems they face.

2. How does that explain how the Democrats could be out of power for a generation? Are black people suddenly going to start voting GOP, women as well. Look at the data and stop being delusional. The party is better set for the future then the GOP, whom's coliation may be on it's last legs.

3. Once again, look at the data. Demographics are heavily favoring the Democrats. GOP strong holds like Texas could be swing states by 2020 due to demographic changes and that is only example.

[Wisconsin+17]

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Isn't it congress that controls spending? Congress has had the reins for the last 3 years of the Obama administration, each of which have seen massive deficits dwarfing the worst of the Bush years.

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I am. Larger landslide in '10 than in '94, btw argues just the opposite.

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John McCain had a negative effect on his own party. He, btw was leading in September.

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Then why did they overwhemingly vote the Republicans into the congress? See- my hypothesis explains 2010. Yours does not. People were not happy with the Pelosi congress and what they had done since 2006, so they ousted them.

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People are already waking up to the fiscal catastrophe that awaits the US, which Obama and his policies have greatly exacerbated. His recent budget does nothing to alleviate their concerns.

Massive, massive tax increases. Gutting the military. Massive increases in domestic expeditures, fairy-land economic and tax forecasts. It's an unmitigated disaster.

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Did you see the numbers for Cain? I sure did. Cain was winning in Illinois, and he was getting lots of minorities out to vote for him.

The Republicans might not get a majority of them - but they don't need a majority of them, especially if the much vilified white men all come out to turf Obama.

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I am. I'm seeing 15 point swings away from Obama. I'm seeing Obama struggle to break 50 percent as an incumbant against all manner of republican challengers - as a sitting president.

That - speaks volumes. The last time we had an incumbant this weak was probably Carter in '80 for the historical parallels.

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Given that the US had their very first ever debt downgrade under the Obama administration - it's not the GOP policies that are the problem. People are going to look at their pocketbook, look at the future for themselves and their children. They are going to look at the party that will help them out. If the state itself is going to fall apart than every single one of the Democrat policies is suddenly null and void.

I suppose we could go back to the 75 percent effective tax rate under Kennedy - but wouldn't that speak volumes as to how far we have fallen?

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I work in a 50 percent hispanic district. Do you really want to know how well Obama is thought of here? People are really hurting and they are not happy right now. I'm not talking old people, I'm talking folks closer to my age - folks trying to get out in the world and make a job. Folks that are having to move back in with their parents because they can't afford a place of their own. Who if they have a job are fighting to hang onto the hours that they do get.

That's the reality of the way things are now and have been for awhile now. Obama hasn't brought about prosperity - he's made the lives of individual Americans, particularly young Americans much harder.

Demographics are working against Democrats btw - Bush states in 2000 are growing compared with Gore states. All the Gore states are shrinking, and shrinking badly.

If the Republicans manage to convince folks that they are the best shot at their children finding work and prospering then the game would change would it not?

[Third Party]

Obama and Bush are just two sides of the same Neocon coin: criminal wars abroad and attacks on dissent at home. I feel very thankful that I voted Cynthia McKinney for president in 2008 and Ralph Nader in 2004. I do not have a drop of Iraqi or Libyan blood on my hands.

[TheDeadFlagBlues]

Having read as much as I could stomach of that trainwreck of an article I'm convinced the solution to all that ails America is rounding up the publishers and readers of the American Thinker and putting them in isolated prison camps in Alaska far away from intelligent life.

My philosophy professor routinely writes articles for it. To feel my pain check them out: http://www.americanthinker.com/ed_kaitz/

He really does have an agenda against leftism, which irks me.