If Nixon had won in 1960, who would Dems nominate in 64?

[Indy Prez]

You would have to have a Southerner to counter the segregationist wing, either LBJ or Terry Sanford. Also, seeing as it was likely Dick wouldn't have had to prove his anti-communist leanings with the Bay of Pigs and would have most likely succeeded in calling Krushcev's bluff in the Cuban Missile Crisis too, you'd need a really strong anti-commie nom.

It's either Johnson(TX)-Humphrey(MN), Jackson(WA)-Sanford(NC) or Sanford-Humphrey. in my mind. Still it's hard to see it not going to the House with a strong Wallace-Thurmond effort as the Voting Rights Act is put on the table by Nixon and agreed upon by the Dems (or maybe they play it down?).

Ok, so post your maps ppl. I wanna see a whole splatterfest of red green and blue!

[NHI]

1964:

Johnson v. Nixon v. Wallace


Johnson: 274
Nixon: 197
Wallace: 67

And just for fun...
1968:

Goldwater v. Johnson v. Wallace


Goldwater: 271
Johnson: 228
Wallace: 39

1972:

Kennedy v. Goldwater


Kennedy: 313
Goldwater: 225

1976:

Kennedy v. Reagan


Reagan: 436
Kennedy: 106

1980:

Reagan v. Carter


Reagan: 440
Carter:    98

1984:

Dole v. Bentsen


Bentsen: 275
Dole:      263

1988:

Bentsen v. Alexander


Bentsen: 285
Alexander: 253

1992:

Clinton v. Gregg


Clinton: 290
Gregg:   248

1996:

Clinton v. McCain


McCain: 289
Clinton: 249

2000:

McCain v. Kerry


McCain: 346
Kerry:   192

2004:

Powell v. Dean


Powell: 332
Dean:   206

2008:

Powell v. Edwards


Powell: 375
Edwards: 163

[Indy Prez]

I need to post more before it'll let me show u my maps, but i've got Johnson-Humphrey v Nixon-Case and a deadlocked House due to VRA and the segregationists.

[CathKhan]

I actually have a tl about this. Two come to think of it. However, I'll put up some different scenarios.

[CathKhan]

This is a timeline I'm working on right now (link in my signature) with a Nixon victory in 1960 and a Kennedy comeback in 1964. I've just gotten past the 1980 election.

1960

Vice-President Richard M Nixon (R-CA)/Ambassador to the United Nations Henry Cabot Lodge Jr. (R-MA); 270 electoral votes, 49.9% of the popular vote
Senator John F Kennedy (D-MA)/Senate Majority Leader Lyndon B Johnson (D-TX); 248 electoral votes, 49.6% of the popular votes
Unpledged Electors; 13 electoral votes; .5% of the popular vote

1964

Senator John F Kennedy (D-MA)/Governor Terry Sanford (D-NC); 273 electoral votes, 43.7% of the popular vote
President Richard M Nixon (R-CA)/Vice-President Henry Cabot Lodge Jr. (R-MA); 212 electoral votes, 42.1% of the popular vote
Senator Strom Thurmond (DI-SC)/Governor Orville Faubus (DI-AR); 53 electoral votes, 14.5% of the popular vote

1968

President John F Kennedy (D-MA)/Vice-President Terry Sanford (D-NC); 273 electoral votes; 43.9% of the popular vote
Governor George Romney (R-MI)/Senator Mark Hatfield (R-OR); 212 electoral votes; 42.7% of the popular vote
Former Governor George Wallace (DI-AL)/General Curtis LeMay (DI-CA); 53 electoral votes; 13.1% of the popular vote

1972

Governor Spiro T Agnew (R-MD)/Senator George HW Bush (R-TX); 278 electoral votes, 48.7% of the popular vote
Vice-President Terry Sanford (D-NC)/Senate Minority Leader Hubert H Humphrey (D-MN); 242 electoral votes, 46.1% of the popular vote
Congressman John Schmitz (I-CA)/Congressman John Ashbrook (I-OH); 18 electoral votes; 4.7% of the popular vote
Others (Socialist, Libertarian, People's); 0 electoral votes, .3% of the popular vote

1976

Senator Robert F Kennedy (D-MA)/Senator George McGovern (D-SD); 281 electoral votes, 51.2% of the popular vote
President George Bush (R-TX)/Senator Ronald Reagan (R-CA); 257 electoral votes, 48.7% of the popular vote
Others; 0 electoral votes, .3% of the popular vote

1980

Governor Ronald Reagan (R-CA)/Senator Mark Hatfield (R-OR) 332 electoral votes, 50.8% of the popular vote
President Robert F. Kennedy (D-MA)/Vice-President George McGovern (D-SD) 178 electoral votes, 34.7% of the popular vote
Former Senator Eugene McCarthy (FL-MN)/Senator Maurrce R. "Mike" Gravel (I/L-AK) 28 electoral votes, 14.2% of the popular vote
Others (Libertarian, Socialist) 0 electoral votes, .3% of the pouplar vote

[Indy Prez]

So Agnew was impeached for tax evasion and all that shizzle when he became President I'm guessing. Somehow your boy Reagan wins them another term. When did he become Senator in your TL?

[CathKhan]

So Agnew was impeached for tax evasion and all that shizzle when he became President I'm guessing. Somehow your boy Reagan wins them another term. When did he become Senator in your TL?

1964. Retired from the Senate in 1976 to run for Vice-President, elected Governor of California in 1978.

[Indy Prez]

I don't think Minnesota would've hung in there for so long without a Humphrey or a Mondale on the ticket.

[CathKhan]

I don't think Minnesota would've hung in there for so long without a Humphrey or a Mondale on the ticket.

It's a pretty Democratic state. It went in 1960.

[Romney/Pawlenty2012]

i think it will be republican state in 2016 or 2020 but i am not too sure

[GPORTER]

A lot of people say Kennedy. I could see Jackson beating Humphrey in a 1964 primary and either narrowly winning or loosing to Nixon. Sanford might win in an upset, it would depend the running mate and the state of the economy for him.

[Mister Mets]

Interesting question.

LBJ would have been strong, especially with President Nixon as a foil while he serves as Senate Majority Leader.

By '64, Humphrey had determined that he would need to serve as Vice-President to have the resources to win a presidential election.

LBJ's other choices for Veep were Eugene McCarthy (who ran in 1968 on an anti-war platform) and Thomas Dodd of Connecticut, who had a scandal in 1967 which prevented any presidential bid.

California Governor Pat Brown might have been a credible candidate. California was the largest state with a Democratic Senator.

JFK would have still had plenty of resources. And this was at a time when losing nominees were given second chances (Dewey in 1948, Stevenson in 1956, Nixon in 1968.)

[badgate]

NHI, which Kennedy is that in '72 and '76? Jackie, Bobby, or Teddy?