Police Commisioner Elections : November 2012

[Harry Hayfield]

I would like to know (as candidates are starting to declare themselves for these elections) if I may be permitted to generate a map for the elections and the results (were suited) based on the 2010 general and 2011 devolved assembly elections as a base for the elections come November?

[doktorb]

While I have the chance to do so =


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/England_and_Wales_Police_and_Crime_Commissioner_elections,_2012

[Sibboleth]

This will all end in tears.

[Leftbehind]

Yep, seen the title and groaned.

[doktorb]

Oh it'll be fiiiiiine

[afleitch]

This will all end in tears tiers.

Corrected

[doktorb]

Yep, seen the title and groaned.

Wait until we start getting the candidates selected. Then the fun will start. Mark my words!






[cough]

[YL]

Police areas in England and Wales are still largely based on the 1974 patterns of local government.  Here's a list of the areas having elections:

Northumbria - Northumberland; Tyne & Wear
Durham - includes Darlington but not the "Cleveland" unitaries
Cleveland - Stockton, Hartlepool, Middlesbrough, Redcar & Cleveland
Cumbria
Lancashire - includes the 1990s unitaries of Blackpool and Blackburn with Darwen
Merseyside
Greater Manchester
North Yorkshire - includes York
Humberside - the East Riding including Hull, N Lincs, NE Lincs
West Yorkshire
South Yorkshire
Derbyshire - includes the City of Derby
Nottinghamshire - includes the City of Nottingham
Lincolnshire - just the County Council area
Leicestershire - includes Rutland and the City of Leicester
Cheshire - Cheshire East, Cheshire West & Chester, Halton, Warrington
Staffordshire - includes Stoke
West Midlands - the Metropolitan County
West Mercia - Shropshire including Telford & Wrekin, Herefordshire, Worcestershire
Warwickshire
Northamptonshire
Norfolk
Suffolk
Cambridgeshire - includes Peterborough
Essex - includes Thurrock and Southend
Bedfordshire - Bedford, Central Beds, Luton
Hertfordshire
Thames Valley - Oxfordshire, Buckinghamshire including Milton Keynes, the Berkshire unitaries
Gloucestershire - excludes South Glos
Avon & Somerset - Somerset, B&NES, North Somerset, Bristol, South Glos
Devon & Cornwall - includes the Plymouth and Torbay unitaries
Wiltshire - includes Swindon
Dorset - includes the Poole and Bournemouth unitaries
Hampshire - includes the Portsmouth and Southampton unitaries and the Isle of Wight
Surrey
Sussex - both East and West, and Brighton & Hove
Kent - includes the Medway unitary

South Wales - Cardiff, Swansea, Vale of Glamorgan, Neath Port Talbot, Rhondda Cynon Taff, Bridgend, Merthyr Tydfil
Gwent - Monmouthshire, Newport, Torfaen, Blaenau Gwent, Caerphilly
Dyfed-Powys - Powys, Ceredigion, Carmarthenshire, Pembrokeshire
North Wales - Flintshire, Wrexham, Denbighshire, Conwy, Gwynedd, Ynys Môn

[dialectical fetishist]

muahaha, this is going to be such a trainwreck.

[Sibboleth]

Oh it'll be fiiiiiine

Maybe initially, but not for long. Bringing the political supervision of the police into the limelight (which is what can't not happen given personal electoral mandates) will have consequences, and they will probably not be the sort that are well liked. It's only a matter of time before there are calls for the system to be 'reformed'.

Fundamentally, the current system (the police authority model) is a bad system, but it's not bad enough to require an urgent overhaul and it hasn't been without its better features.

[Harry Hayfield]

Police areas in England and Wales are still largely based on the 1974 patterns of local government.  Here's a list of the areas having elections:

Northumbria - Northumberland; Tyne & Wear
Durham - includes Darlington but not the "Cleveland" unitaries
Cleveland - Stockton, Hartlepool, Middlesbrough, Redcar & Cleveland
Cumbria
Lancashire - includes the 1990s unitaries of Blackpool and Blackburn with Darwen
Merseyside
Greater Manchester
North Yorkshire - includes York
Humberside - the East Riding including Hull, N Lincs, NE Lincs
West Yorkshire
South Yorkshire
Derbyshire - includes the City of Derby
Nottinghamshire - includes the City of Nottingham
Lincolnshire - just the County Council area
Leicestershire - includes Rutland and the City of Leicester
Cheshire - Cheshire East, Cheshire West & Chester, Halton, Warrington
Staffordshire - includes Stoke
West Midlands - the Metropolitan County
West Mercia - Shropshire including Telford & Wrekin, Herefordshire, Worcestershire
Warwickshire
Northamptonshire
Norfolk
Suffolk
Cambridgeshire - includes Peterborough
Essex - includes Thurrock and Southend
Bedfordshire - Bedford, Central Beds, Luton
Hertfordshire
Thames Valley - Oxfordshire, Buckinghamshire including Milton Keynes, the Berkshire unitaries
Gloucestershire - excludes South Glos
Avon & Somerset - Somerset, B&NES, North Somerset, Bristol, South Glos
Devon & Cornwall - includes the Plymouth and Torbay unitaries
Wiltshire - includes Swindon
Dorset - includes the Poole and Bournemouth unitaries
Hampshire - includes the Portsmouth and Southampton unitaries and the Isle of Wight
Surrey
Sussex - both East and West, and Brighton & Hove
Kent - includes the Medway unitary

South Wales - Cardiff, Swansea, Vale of Glamorgan, Neath Port Talbot, Rhondda Cynon Taff, Bridgend, Merthyr Tydfil
Gwent - Monmouthshire, Newport, Torfaen, Blaenau Gwent, Caerphilly
Dyfed-Powys - Powys, Ceredigion, Carmarthenshire, Pembrokeshire
North Wales - Flintshire, Wrexham, Denbighshire, Conwy, Gwynedd, Ynys Môn

So does that mean I may be permitted or not?

[Die-hard Clockworkfan]

Oh it'll be fiiiiiine

Maybe initially, but not for long. Bringing the political supervision of the police into the limelight (which is what can't not happen given personal electoral mandates) will have consequences, and they will probably not be the sort that are well liked. It's only a matter of time before there are calls for the system to be 'reformed'.

Fundamentally, the current system (the police authority model) is a bad system, but it's not bad enough to require an urgent overhaul and it hasn't been without its better features.

I agree with Al.  This is a seriously bad idea which should never have got out of whichever think tank dreamed it up.  Running police should be left to the professionals.

[doktorb]

Police areas in England and Wales are still largely based on the 1974 patterns of local government.  Here's a list of the areas having elections:

Northumbria - Northumberland; Tyne & Wear
Durham - includes Darlington but not the "Cleveland" unitaries
Cleveland - Stockton, Hartlepool, Middlesbrough, Redcar & Cleveland
Cumbria
Lancashire - includes the 1990s unitaries of Blackpool and Blackburn with Darwen
Merseyside
Greater Manchester
North Yorkshire - includes York
Humberside - the East Riding including Hull, N Lincs, NE Lincs
West Yorkshire
South Yorkshire
Derbyshire - includes the City of Derby
Nottinghamshire - includes the City of Nottingham
Lincolnshire - just the County Council area
Leicestershire - includes Rutland and the City of Leicester
Cheshire - Cheshire East, Cheshire West & Chester, Halton, Warrington
Staffordshire - includes Stoke
West Midlands - the Metropolitan County
West Mercia - Shropshire including Telford & Wrekin, Herefordshire, Worcestershire
Warwickshire
Northamptonshire
Norfolk
Suffolk
Cambridgeshire - includes Peterborough
Essex - includes Thurrock and Southend
Bedfordshire - Bedford, Central Beds, Luton
Hertfordshire
Thames Valley - Oxfordshire, Buckinghamshire including Milton Keynes, the Berkshire unitaries
Gloucestershire - excludes South Glos
Avon & Somerset - Somerset, B&NES, North Somerset, Bristol, South Glos
Devon & Cornwall - includes the Plymouth and Torbay unitaries
Wiltshire - includes Swindon
Dorset - includes the Poole and Bournemouth unitaries
Hampshire - includes the Portsmouth and Southampton unitaries and the Isle of Wight
Surrey
Sussex - both East and West, and Brighton & Hove
Kent - includes the Medway unitary

South Wales - Cardiff, Swansea, Vale of Glamorgan, Neath Port Talbot, Rhondda Cynon Taff, Bridgend, Merthyr Tydfil
Gwent - Monmouthshire, Newport, Torfaen, Blaenau Gwent, Caerphilly
Dyfed-Powys - Powys, Ceredigion, Carmarthenshire, Pembrokeshire
North Wales - Flintshire, Wrexham, Denbighshire, Conwy, Gwynedd, Ynys Môn

So does that mean I may be permitted or not?

Go for it, Harry, nobody seems to be against the idea that I can see.

[Vasall des Midas]

I think he has been told before that he doesn't need permission to create maps here, and he'll be told if anything else he does was not okay. He just needs to get that into his somewhat thickish skull.

[YL]

So, just how bad do people think the turnout will be for these?

I'm also tempted to speculate on which police area elects the craziest Commissioner...

[Sibboleth]

I'm also tempted to speculate on which police area elects the craziest Commissioner...

I note with mounting horror that James Anderton is still alive.

[Χahar]

Are these partisan elections?

[Sibboleth]

Are these partisan elections?

Yes. I seem to recall that the LibDems have said that they won't be running anyone, but then none would get elected anyway.

[Harry Hayfield]

Alun Michael wants to stand for Labour in South Wales (so that's a partisan election in South Wales)

[Χahar]

Are these partisan elections?

Yes. I seem to recall that the LibDems have said that they won't be running anyone, but then none would get elected anyway.

What an excellent way to run the police.

[Andrea]

It seems the Conservatives have attracted around 220 applications so far.
http://alturl.com/erwyd
As for the main theme of that article, I am not sure what kind of candidates they exepected to attract!

Other than Alun Michael in Wales, another sitting Labour MP who is trying to get the party nomination is Tony Llody in Greater Manchester.
Labour also have a series of former MPs who applied for selection: John Presccot (well, I know you know him), Jane Kennedy (Liverpool Wavertree 1992-2010), Peter Kilfoyle (Liverpool Walton 1991-2010), Paddy Tipping (Sherwood 1992-2010), James Plaskitt (Warwick and Leamington 1997-2010) and Ian Cawsey (Brigg & Goole 1997-2010) .
There were rumours Vera Baird (the one who lost Redcar in 2010 GE) is considering running in Northumbria selection.

[You kip if you want to...]

Are Labour holding primaries or just normal selections?

[Andrea]

Are Labour holding primaries or just normal selections?

I think normal selections.
They have apparently received around 150 applications overall. A NEC panel will draw up shortlists and then postal ballot papers will be sent out along with internal elections (NEC/NPF) papers in June.

[You kip if you want to...]

Are Labour holding primaries or just normal selections?

I think normal selections.
They have apparently received around 150 applications overall. A NEC panel will draw up shortlists and then postal ballot papers will be sent out along internal elections (NEC/NPF) papers in June.

Oh good, that's what I meant. Assumed normal members would get a vote.

[YL]

One person trying to get the Labour nomination in South Yorkshire (where you have to assume that the Labour nomination is a pretty good start at winning the election) is former Chief Constable of the force Meredydd Hughes.