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« on: February 24, 2012, 11:25:15 PM »

http://campaign2012.washingtonexaminer.com/blogs/beltway-confidential/santorum-kennedys-religion-speech-was-mistake/388986

Rick Santorum questions the need for a separation of Church and State, and says that John F. Kennedy's 1960 religion speech was a mistake. 

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Santorum argued that by confessing "an absolute separation of Church and State," Kennedy chose, "not just to dispel fear, but to expel faith," after doubts were raised about whether or not his  administration would be subject to the papacy.

"The idea of a strict or absolute separation of church and state is not and never was the American model," Santorum stated, asserting that the concept was developed by Justice Hugo Black in the Supreme Court case of Everson vs. Board of Education in 1947.

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« Reply #1 on: February 25, 2012, 07:33:01 AM »

Good. It's been 52 years since Kennedy was elected. Time for a real Catholic.
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« Reply #2 on: February 25, 2012, 01:42:57 PM »

Good. It's been 52 years since Kennedy was elected. Time for a real Catholic.
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« Reply #3 on: February 25, 2012, 01:49:01 PM »

Good. It's been 52 years since Kennedy was elected. Time for a real Catholic.

Another personal attack on Phil!
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« Reply #4 on: February 25, 2012, 01:50:03 PM »

Good. It's been 52 years since Kennedy was elected. Time for a real Catholic.

If only Santorum actually was in line with the Church. Sad
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« Reply #5 on: February 25, 2012, 01:51:49 PM »

Does the Pope approve this message?
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« Reply #6 on: February 25, 2012, 02:04:38 PM »


Showing your true colors, Politico?
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« Reply #7 on: February 25, 2012, 02:14:14 PM »


I respect all religions and religious beliefs. I just wonder why Santorum has a problem with the way Kennedy pushed (rightfully, IMHO) the separation of church and state. Kennedy did not want people questioning whether the Pope would have influence over him. Why is Santorum choosing to open himself up to that question?

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« Reply #8 on: February 25, 2012, 02:45:05 PM »

If Santorum wins and only listens to Benedict, we'll have universal health care and actually start doing something about climate change.  So I hope he's serious, actually.
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« Reply #9 on: February 25, 2012, 02:46:10 PM »


I respect all religions and religious beliefs. I just wonder why Santorum has a problem with the way Kennedy pushed (rightfully, IMHO) the separation of church and state. Kennedy did not want people questioning whether the Pope would have influence over him. Why is Santorum choosing to open himself up to that question?


If the Pope actually had any influence on Santorum, he wouldn't be half the war-hawk he is, plus he'd be far more economically leftist. Santorum is an evangelical in Catholic clothing.
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« Reply #10 on: February 25, 2012, 02:58:49 PM »

If Santorum wins and only listens to Benedict, we'll have universal health care and actually start doing something about climate change.  So I hope he's serious, actually.

Yes, because all Americans want the United States Presidency ran from the Vatican.
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« Reply #11 on: February 25, 2012, 06:30:34 PM »

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This is still an issue in this day and age? Really? That a practicing Catholic would be disqualified from the presidency?

I think it's telling that people who claim to be so 'openminded' are really not so. Smiley
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« Reply #12 on: February 25, 2012, 06:32:30 PM »

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Which is why the Pope is opposed to Obamacare? Wink

Odd that. I would expect people that are opposed to the church to actually understand what the church teaches, but I guess that's too much to expect.

I suppose if Kennedy were like Santorum, he'd be willing to sell out his faith for your approval. But Santorum actually believes in his faith.
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« Reply #13 on: February 25, 2012, 06:46:08 PM »

A Catholic state would be pretty socialist.
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« Reply #14 on: February 25, 2012, 07:10:58 PM »

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Which is why the Pope is opposed to Obamacare? Wink

Odd that. I would expect people that are opposed to the church to actually understand what the church teaches, but I guess that's too much to expect.

I suppose if Kennedy were like Santorum, he'd be willing to sell out his faith for your approval. But Santorum actually believes in his faith.

Obamacare is not universal health care. There would certainly be some form of such in a Catholic state.
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« Reply #15 on: February 25, 2012, 07:51:44 PM »

A Catholic state would have a powerful national health service, but contraception wouldn't be considered healthcare.  Or legal.
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« Reply #16 on: February 26, 2012, 11:45:02 AM »

Rick is expressing himself now in more colorful language on this issue, in fact so colorful, that I was tempted to make it its own thread, but decided to restrain myself for once.

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« Reply #17 on: February 26, 2012, 11:46:01 AM »

Rick is expressing himself now in more colorful language on this issue, in fact so colorful, that I was tempted to make it its own thread, but decided to restrain myself for once.

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« Reply #18 on: February 26, 2012, 02:04:46 PM »

Isn't that heresay realistic idealist? I thought Obama care was a national health care system. Wink

Oh, and that entirely depends on the state. Health care would fall under subsidiarity, meaning that a private system would be preferable to one that is state run, for both efficiency and productivity concerns.
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« Reply #19 on: February 26, 2012, 02:08:16 PM »
« Edited: February 26, 2012, 02:09:51 PM by realisticidealist »

Oh, and that entirely depends on the state. Health care would fall under subsidiarity, meaning that a private system would be preferable to one that is state run, for both efficiency and productivity concerns.

I think that's certainly debateable. I don't believe the private sector runs health care more efficiently for example, and even if it did, there's nothing that says it can't be a nonprofit insurance system like Switzerland. Heck, a Catholic state might have some form of church-run universal nonprofit health insurance.
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