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« on: February 24, 2012, 12:15:55 am »
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So Jack isn't assassinated; does Barry have a chance at winning, etc?  You know what to do.
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« Reply #1 on: February 29, 2012, 05:13:56 pm »
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« Reply #2 on: February 29, 2012, 05:17:26 pm »
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Growing economy+popular domestic reforms=still a landslide. Barry does a little better, though.
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« Reply #3 on: February 29, 2012, 11:51:58 pm »
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Growing economy+popular domestic reforms=still a landslide. Barry does a little better, though.

Would he have a shot at California at least?
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« Reply #4 on: March 01, 2012, 08:11:17 am »
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Growing economy+popular domestic reforms=still a landslide. Barry does a little better, though.

Would he have a shot at California at least?

California's a swing state at this point. In a landslide, I doubt he can win.
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« Reply #5 on: March 01, 2012, 08:32:20 am »
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Let's see here: a pragmatic Catholic Democrat versus "Extremism in Defense of Liberty is No Vice?"

Sure, it's not a Johnson landslide but for some reason I doubt Goldwater gets over 200 EVs.

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« Reply #6 on: March 01, 2012, 08:51:52 pm »
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Let's see here: a pragmatic Catholic Democrat versus "Extremism in Defense of Liberty is No Vice?"

Sure, it's not a Johnson landslide but for some reason I doubt Goldwater gets over 200 EVs.



Even then, I'd give Jack IA, NH, TN, and maybe OK and ND.
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« Reply #7 on: March 01, 2012, 09:18:02 pm »
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But the GOP would certainly do better in Congress.  What if he completely abandoned his own campaign, knowing he could lose, and focused on helping Congressional Repubs?  How well would they do?
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« Reply #8 on: March 14, 2012, 08:20:47 pm »
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« Reply #9 on: March 14, 2012, 10:36:22 pm »
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Interesting map, but I can't see a fifteen percent swing from 1960 in just 4 years.
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« Reply #10 on: March 15, 2012, 02:58:06 pm »
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Interesting map, but I can't see a fifteen percent swing from 1960 in just 4 years.
while it's true that map is about 57-42 versus a near tie 4 years earlier, Nixon and AuH2O were very different candidates. I don't think the difference in performance we saw was mostly about JFK's assasination or LBJ's appeal in some parts, though both played a role.
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That map. Both the PWC and postwar liberalism are at their apex in the early to mid '60s. Flat taxation, privatizing Social Security and most governmental corporations, calling Medicare a "hoax"... none of that stuff flies until the '90s.
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« Reply #12 on: March 21, 2012, 12:48:16 pm »
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That map. Both the PWC and postwar liberalism are at their apex in the early to mid '60s. Flat taxation, privatizing Social Security and most governmental corporations, calling Medicare a "hoax"... none of that stuff flies until the '90s.

I thought 80's.  Alright what about tailoring his speeches and running in 68 as per Han's TL?
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« Reply #13 on: July 16, 2013, 01:21:57 am »
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Landslide for John F. Kennedy.
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« Reply #14 on: July 16, 2013, 01:34:23 am »
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It gets closer but Goldwater loses 54-46. He wins traditional Republican states and the south where segregation was still popular. The country wouldn't have been as behind the Democratic ticket if not for the tragedy of JFK though.
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