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« Reply #25 on: February 29, 2012, 01:21:58 am »
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But really, small regions are conducive to creating strongholds. Sure, the Pacific and SE are solid, but the fact that they're small in the first place is a very major reason certain groups managed to take over and in some cases consolidate.
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« Reply #26 on: February 29, 2012, 01:28:44 am »
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But really, small regions are conducive to creating strongholds. Sure, the Pacific and SE are solid, but the fact that they're small in the first place is a very major reason certain groups managed to take over and in some cases consolidate.

It would be pretty crazy to let people register in up to two regions to vote in.
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« Reply #27 on: February 29, 2012, 01:36:53 am »
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Let's try an old pre 17th amendment idea. Have the regional assemblies elect the senators.
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« Reply #28 on: February 29, 2012, 01:38:07 am »
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But really, small regions are conducive to creating strongholds. Sure, the Pacific and SE are solid, but the fact that they're small in the first place is a very major reason certain groups managed to take over and in some cases consolidate.

It would be pretty crazy to let people register in up to two regions to vote in.

...What?
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« Reply #29 on: February 29, 2012, 01:47:23 am »
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But really, small regions are conducive to creating strongholds. Sure, the Pacific and SE are solid, but the fact that they're small in the first place is a very major reason certain groups managed to take over and in some cases consolidate.

It would be pretty crazy to let people register in up to two regions to vote in.

...What?

I was thinking of some random solution possibilities that didn't involve eliminating any of the current regions. That was among the most ridiculous which came to mind. I actually couldn't think of anything practical we could actively do that I think would be a useful solution to a lack of competition.

Personally I feel that having some "safe seats" is fine, but having five seats is too many. Four would be too many. Perhaps Midwesterners and Mideasterners could exchange a few voters. Reducing the number of regions would disappoint me.
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« Reply #30 on: February 29, 2012, 06:06:58 am »
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Let's try an old pre 17th amendment idea. Have the regional assemblies elect the senators.

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« Reply #31 on: February 29, 2012, 07:12:37 am »
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Let's try an old pre 17th amendment idea. Have the regional assemblies elect the senators.

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I concur...
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« Reply #32 on: February 29, 2012, 11:19:59 pm »
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Let's try an old pre 17th amendment idea. Have the regional assemblies elect the senators.

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I concur...

I actually have long advocated for the regional senators to be exactly that.  First it makes them true "regional senators" representing the region and second, it makes regional legislatures a much more important spot than just something to do until you run for something else (not saying everybody believes that, but some treat it that way.)
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« Reply #33 on: February 29, 2012, 11:26:32 pm »
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Let's try an old pre 17th amendment idea. Have the regional assemblies elect the senators.

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I actually have long advocated for the regional senators to be exactly that.  First it makes them true "regional senators" representing the region and second, it makes regional legislatures a much more important spot than just something to do until you run for something else (not saying everybody believes that, but some treat it that way.)

If we did that, then technically the regional senators would not be representing the views of their constituents; just the views of the representatives.
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« Reply #34 on: February 29, 2012, 11:48:52 pm »
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Let's try an old pre 17th amendment idea. Have the regional assemblies elect the senators.

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I concur...

I actually have long advocated for the regional senators to be exactly that.  First it makes them true "regional senators" representing the region and second, it makes regional legislatures a much more important spot than just something to do until you run for something else (not saying everybody believes that, but some treat it that way.)

If we did that, then technically the regional senators would not be representing the views of their constituents; just the views of the representatives.

Who should be representing the interests of the region should they not? Not offering an opinion here, myself. Atleast, not yet Tongue
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« Reply #35 on: March 01, 2012, 01:21:21 am »
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Let's try an old pre 17th amendment idea. Have the regional assemblies elect the senators.

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I concur...

I actually have long advocated for the regional senators to be exactly that.  First it makes them true "regional senators" representing the region and second, it makes regional legislatures a much more important spot than just something to do until you run for something else (not saying everybody believes that, but some treat it that way.)

If we did that, then technically the regional senators would not be representing the views of their constituents; just the views of the representatives.

Who should be representing the interests of the region should they not? Not offering an opinion here, myself. Atleast, not yet Tongue

Yes, but the selection of those who write the laws is something I feel the People should have control over.  And it would be a worse idea to move that idea forward in this game than in real life, since there isn't even a lower house composed of directly-elected Representatives that would balance with the Senate in this scenario.
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« Reply #36 on: March 01, 2012, 01:31:21 am »
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Let's try an old pre 17th amendment idea. Have the regional assemblies elect the senators.

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I concur...

I actually have long advocated for the regional senators to be exactly that.  First it makes them true "regional senators" representing the region and second, it makes regional legislatures a much more important spot than just something to do until you run for something else (not saying everybody believes that, but some treat it that way.)

If we did that, then technically the regional senators would not be representing the views of their constituents; just the views of the representatives.

And in two of the regions it really wouldn't make a difference at all. The Pacific and Midwest are universal; effectively making their election a popular vote election anyway. I'm not inherently opposed to this idea but I just don't think it would work out well.

Anyway, I'm going to open a final vote on this shortly, just a heads up if people have anything more to say on this.
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« Reply #37 on: March 01, 2012, 01:59:56 am »
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Let's try an old pre 17th amendment idea. Have the regional assemblies elect the senators.

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I concur...

I actually have long advocated for the regional senators to be exactly that.  First it makes them true "regional senators" representing the region and second, it makes regional legislatures a much more important spot than just something to do until you run for something else (not saying everybody believes that, but some treat it that way.)

If we did that, then technically the regional senators would not be representing the views of their constituents; just the views of the representatives.

Who should be representing the interests of the region should they not? Not offering an opinion here, myself. Atleast, not yet Tongue

Yes, but the selection of those who write the laws is something I feel the People should have control over.  And it would be a worse idea to move that idea forward in this game than in real life, since there isn't even a lower house composed of directly-elected Representatives that would balance with the Senate in this scenario.

The idea only concerns half the Senate. What do you think the other half is suppose to be?
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« Reply #38 on: March 01, 2012, 02:16:08 am »
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Let's try an old pre 17th amendment idea. Have the regional assemblies elect the senators.

Noooooooooooo

I concur...

I actually have long advocated for the regional senators to be exactly that.  First it makes them true "regional senators" representing the region and second, it makes regional legislatures a much more important spot than just something to do until you run for something else (not saying everybody believes that, but some treat it that way.)

If we did that, then technically the regional senators would not be representing the views of their constituents; just the views of the representatives.

Who should be representing the interests of the region should they not? Not offering an opinion here, myself. Atleast, not yet Tongue

Yes, but the selection of those who write the laws is something I feel the People should have control over.  And it would be a worse idea to move that idea forward in this game than in real life, since there isn't even a lower house composed of directly-elected Representatives that would balance with the Senate in this scenario.

The idea only concerns half the Senate. What do you think the other half is suppose to be?

Whoops- didn't realize that.  However, I still prefer the current system of having half the Senators represent the population as a whole and the other half represent people of their individual regions.  Representatives picking Senators just doesn't sound very practical.
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« Reply #39 on: March 09, 2012, 01:36:59 pm »
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I'll be supporting this amendment.
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« Reply #40 on: March 16, 2012, 01:18:55 pm »
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It is probably outside the realm of my delegation of authority from the VP, but I am sick of looking at this.

Senators, a final vote is now open on this constitutional amendment, please vote Aye, Nay or Abstain. 


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« Reply #41 on: March 16, 2012, 01:40:39 pm »
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I vote Nay. There's no good reason to fire Yankee. Tongue
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« Reply #42 on: March 16, 2012, 02:15:44 pm »
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Nay

I agree with Sbane and the senate membership is pretty varied as it stands now already.
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« Reply #43 on: March 16, 2012, 02:24:28 pm »
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While I think term limits are potentially an interesting idea, in practice this would only serve to force long-serving and valuable members out of office - Nay.
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« Reply #44 on: March 16, 2012, 02:30:54 pm »
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Nay.
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« Reply #45 on: March 16, 2012, 03:01:07 pm »
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In fact we may have to contemplate some of that variance in membership in about 54 hours.
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« Reply #46 on: March 16, 2012, 07:20:15 pm »
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« Reply #47 on: March 17, 2012, 02:59:26 am »
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Aye.
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« Reply #48 on: March 18, 2012, 08:21:10 pm »
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« Reply #49 on: March 18, 2012, 10:24:05 pm »
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Abstain
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