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« on: February 24, 2012, 08:50:40 PM »

Seems like for a long time posters here considered Scott LOLworthy, but now his polls are taken as second only to PPP.
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« Reply #1 on: February 24, 2012, 09:09:08 PM »

Seems like for a long time posters here considered Scott LOLworthy, but now his polls are taken as second only to PPP.

Actually, he's always been reasonably good.  He was right on the money in 2004 and still close in 2008.

Zogby improved in 2008.  Gallup, the supposed gold standard, tarnished in 2008.
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« Reply #2 on: February 24, 2012, 09:16:03 PM »

Rasmussen is a good pollster when actually doing legitimate polling, but every now and then he'll release some strange poll of 5 states grouped or Rick Perry leads Wisconsin by 10 while others trail.  Un-coincidentally, these are polls usually released on nights when he's going on FOX primetime to be interviewed.  He's gotta make a living somehow I guess.
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« Reply #3 on: February 24, 2012, 09:39:33 PM »

Rasmussen isn't a bad polling company, although unless something drastically changes, I'll always rely on PPP the most.
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« Reply #4 on: February 24, 2012, 09:42:44 PM »

He did a terrible job during the last midterm elections.
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« Reply #5 on: February 24, 2012, 09:51:02 PM »

He did a terrible job during the last midterm elections.

The trouble with 2010 was the amount of polls he released ended up saturating the campaign and most of them were pretty right-leaning and this ended up just skewing the narrative.
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« Reply #6 on: February 24, 2012, 11:07:27 PM »

He did a terrible job during the last midterm elections.

How so?
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« Reply #7 on: February 24, 2012, 11:12:25 PM »

He did a terrible job during the last midterm elections.

The trouble with 2010 was the amount of polls he released ended up saturating the campaign and most of them were pretty right-leaning and this ended up just skewing the narrative.

Is there any concrete evidence that "narratives" matter?
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« Reply #8 on: February 24, 2012, 11:13:56 PM »

Is there any concrete evidence that "narratives" matter?

Turnout depression.
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« Reply #9 on: February 25, 2012, 12:19:50 AM »


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« Reply #10 on: February 25, 2012, 01:22:34 AM »

Rasmussen isn't a bad polling company, although unless something drastically changes, I'll always rely on PPP the most.

What's so special about PPP?
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« Reply #11 on: February 25, 2012, 06:32:48 AM »

As far as a Republican primary race, yeah sure. But for general election and issue-specific polls, they shamelessly lean to the right.
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« Reply #12 on: February 25, 2012, 08:34:26 AM »

Rasmussen isn't a bad polling company, although unless something drastically changes, I'll always rely on PPP the most.

What's so special about PPP?


They seem to be the most accurate nation-wide polling firm.
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« Reply #13 on: February 25, 2012, 10:09:24 AM »

I think Rasmussen has shown himself to be a pretty good national poller.  His numbers in 2004 and 2008 were pretty good.  He's also got loads of data from his nightly interviews that allows him to make pretty good assessments of national trends.

I'm not convinced yet he's a particularly good state pollster.  When on Fox Thursday night, he said there would be no wild swings in his Michigan numbers and then the next morning he released a poll showing a 10 point swing for Romney in just three days.
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« Reply #14 on: February 25, 2012, 01:20:54 PM »

Rasmussen was utter garbage in 2010. They've done okay with primary polling so far this year, though their real problem in 2010 was their large Republican house effect.

Whacker is also correct that his national polling is much better than his state polling.
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« Reply #15 on: February 25, 2012, 02:22:15 PM »

I consider Rasmussen to be the best recent polling company. The only reason people on here hate on Ras is because the hacks don't like what the results of his poll's are. That can be easily seen in the case of the 2010 elections when he was contrary to the opinion on here, he was largely correct in his predictions.
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« Reply #16 on: February 25, 2012, 02:29:29 PM »
« Edited: February 25, 2012, 06:13:27 PM by Mr. Morden »

LOL, no.  Rasmussen was the worst pollster in 2010; his polls were both inaccurate and wildly biased towards the Republicans.

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« Reply #17 on: February 25, 2012, 02:36:00 PM »

I consider Rasmussen to be the best recent polling company. The only reason people on here hate on Ras is because the hacks don't like what the results of his poll's are. That can be easily seen in the case of the 2010 elections when he was contrary to the opinion on here, he was largely correct in his predictions.

You call other people hacks?
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« Reply #18 on: February 25, 2012, 04:23:10 PM »

Is there any concrete evidence that "narratives" matter?

Turnout depression.

Causality issues - turnout depression can show up in polls of likely voters which contributes to the narrative, or the same problems causing the narrative are also depressing turnout.
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« Reply #19 on: February 25, 2012, 06:11:15 PM »

Rasmussen isn't a bad polling company, although unless something drastically changes, I'll always rely on PPP the most.

What's so special about PPP?


They seem to be the most accurate nation-wide polling firm.

They're definitely **one of** the best, but are they really *the* best?  Better than Selzer, Pew, Mason-Dixon, etc?  I've yet to see any evidence on that.  I think they're simply the most prolific.
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« Reply #20 on: February 25, 2012, 06:29:43 PM »

I consider Rasmussen to be the best recent polling company. The only reason people on here hate on Ras is because the hacks don't like what the results of his poll's are. That can be easily seen in the case of the 2010 elections when he was contrary to the opinion on here, he was largely correct in his predictions.

lolKevin.

BTW, has California collapsed into ruin under Jerry Brown yet like you predicted?
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