So what do we do when a moderator refuses to do their job?

[Keystone Phil]

One esteemed moderator - who takes themselves a little too serioursly (behavior analysis. Not an attack) - is not just refusing to address concerns; they're trying to force people to publicly apologize/"explain themselves" on an unrelated matter before they address the issue.

So we have one moderator who admits they're biased against defenders of one candidate and another who refuses to do their job until a poster apologizes to them publicly. I would appreciate if a fair moderator or Dave would reach out to me to solve this problem. This behavior is totally unbecoming of a moderator.

[Inks.LWC Supports Chuck Hagel]

Phil, I am not refusing to do my job.  If you come to me with a concern from something on the Off Topic / Forum Community boards, I will address it.

What I will not do is continue your old discussion until you answer my question.  Nothing in my job duty says that I have to agree to hold a PM discussion with you on matters outside of my jurisdiction.  I have been very clear: I will be happy to discuss your old discussion as soon as you answer my question, but I'm not going to let you start multiple battles, moving on when you realize that you've lost them, but refusing to admit that you're wrong, just so you can cherry pick a battle you think you can win.  It's a waste of my time.

If you wish to discuss this matter further, I would advise you to post an answer to the question I posed in the thread on The Atlas Board.

[Keystone Phil]

I again ask that a fair moderator or Dave contact me about this matter.

[Inks.LWC Supports Chuck Hagel]

If you wish to discuss this matter further, I would advise you to post an answer to the question I posed in the thread on The Atlas Board.

[Keystone Phil]

If you wish to discuss this matter further, I would advise you to post an answer to the question I posed in the thread on The Atlas Board.

And now you're going to troll? Thanks for the help, Inks.

Again, a fair moderator or Dave, please.

[Proud Lieberal from Northeast]

For the love of God...

[opebo]

I just had this post deleted, with 3 death-points:

Quote from: opebo on February 25, 2012, 03:29:51 pm
Quote from: Keystone Phil on February 25, 2012, 08:58:35 am
Again, a fair moderator or Dave, please.

No such thing as fair, KP.  Once you have censorship, that's it.  Chilling effect.

The reason given is 'trolling' - so clearly, to question the censorship or point out its chilling effect is not allowed.  The circle is perfect - we have no freedom of speech here at all, nor any rights.

[© Tweed the Younger]

I just had this post deleted, with 3 death-points:

Quote from: opebo on February 25, 2012, 03:29:51 pm
Quote from: Keystone Phil on February 25, 2012, 08:58:35 am
Again, a fair moderator or Dave, please.

No such thing as fair, KP.  Once you have censorship, that's it.  Chilling effect.

The reason given is 'trolling' - so clearly, to question the censorship or point out its chilling effect is not allowed.  The circle is perfect - we have no freedom of speech here at all, nor any rights.

of course we don't have 'rights', it's a privately owned website.  the problem isn't rights.  if the system set up was very open about its arbitrariness, inconsistency, etc I wouldn't have grounds to complain.  

I complain because the system and its foot soldiers uphold this pretense of fairness, even application of the ToS, etc when all of this is demonstrably false... but even worse, they argue that this crap is necessary and is making the Forum better.

[I left.]

How many death points do you have, opebo?

[I'm JewCon in name only.]

This forum needs to have a sitcom.

[Keystone Phil]

This forum needs to have a sitcom.

Are you unfamiliar with The Life of Mike Naso?

[memphis]

You know, some of us are able to take death points without making a huge spectacle about it.

[a Person]

You know, some of us are able to take death points without making a huge spectacle about it.

Reported for passive-aggressiveness.
Not really.

[opebo]

of course we don't have 'rights', it's a privately owned website.

So, what's the difference?  Society is also owned, and that doesn't prevent us from using the term 'rights'.  But surely it was obvious I use the term 'within the game'.  

...the system and its foot soldiers uphold this pretense of fairness, even application of the ToS, etc when all of this is demonstrably false... but even worse, they argue that this crap is necessary and is making the Forum better.

But this is precisely my point - it not only makes the forum worse, it makes it impossible to serve as a useful political forum.  When people can't speak freely, there's really no point to speaking at all.

How many death points do you have, opebo?

25, Franzl.  Why?

[Grumps]

I would appreciate if a fair moderator or Dave would reach out to me to solve this problem.

You know full well Dave won't be reading this.  And if you pm'd Nym he'd answer, and I know no one more fair than him.

So I question the motive behind another thread since it can't accomplish what you say you want.

[dialectical fetishist]

I have 10 infraction points, still holding over from ages ago. I deserved all of them admittedly, except the 1 I got for making fun of Americans over Braveheart. It was bit extreme to delete that.

[Χahar]

How do you people get infracted so much? I've gotten infracted once in the last year.

[Senator Ben]

How do you people get infracted so much? I've gotten infracted once in the last year.

Same.  A lousy profanity hit from Inks.  How can people rack up these points?  It's insane.

[Proud Lieberal from Northeast]

Phil, your rants won't help your cause. On the contrary your rants are annoying a lot of us.

Either you're trolling or you really don't get it.

@Xahar, that's probably because I never saw you using profanity

[Fuzzy]

Phil, your rants won't help your cause. On the contrary your rants are annoying a lot of us.

Either you're trolling or you really don't get it.

^^^^This

[© Tweed the Younger]

How do you people get infracted so much? I've gotten infracted once in the last year.

Same.  A lousy profanity hit from Inks.  How can people rack up these points?  It's insane.

I'm glad we don't have 1000 posts of benconstine clones defining Forum dialog, even though the Mods unsurprisingly see him as a model poster.  how absolutely insufferable that would be.  the infraction prone peoples: opebo, BRTD, jmfcst, me, Phil, are in significant part what make the Forum worth frequenting.

[Keystone Phil]

On the contrary your rants are annoying a lot of us.

Why there you are, Mr. Pot...

[Sibboleth]

I'm never sure if this is well known, but infraction points disappear after a certain period of time. Though thhey still show up as counting until the next update, which isn't terribly helpful.

[dialectical fetishist]

How do you people get infracted so much? I've gotten infracted once in the last year.

I got 9/10 from outright insulting and swearing at people, hence why I deserved them.

I don't understand how Phil manages to get so many though - he's rarely written anything I've seen that seemed infraction worthy.

[I left.]

25, Franzl.  Why?

Oh, just wondering how close they were to throwing you out