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BigSkyBob
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« on: March 01, 2012, 02:45:29 PM »

http://www.freep.com/article/20120301/NEWS15/120301038/Mitt-Romney-gets-Michigan-s-large-delegates

Changing the rules after the election is over just goes to show how desperate the establishment is in its war against rank-and-file Republicans.

They can't seem to help themselves. Romney was so desperate to claim victory in Maine that he dissed the folks whom still hadn't had their chance to vote. He is toast in Maine in November as a result. He would have had a shot at one Congressional district. In Michigan, the unfairness of this decision will only energize his critics. This, not his narrow margin in one of his home states, will now become a focus of the next few days. What an idiot!
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« Reply #1 on: March 01, 2012, 02:53:37 PM »

would imagine that the possible pr fallout is more valuable than the +/- 1 delegate at stake here.

Yes, and, that extra delegate may very well be successfully challenged at the convention. The PR blackeye may very well be for nothing.
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« Reply #2 on: March 01, 2012, 03:33:23 PM »

Joseph Stalin would be very proud of Michigan Republicans.



"You know, comrades," says Stalin, "that I think in regard to this: I consider it completely unimportant who in the party will vote, or how; but what is extraordinarily important is this — who will count the votes, and how."

-Joseph Stalin as quoted by his secretary in his memoirs
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« Reply #3 on: March 01, 2012, 03:41:21 PM »

Romney is personally calling rank-and-file Republicans on Election Days. I would advise the Santorum campaign to move on from Michigan...

I'm sure that, like cockroaches, Romney and his minions want to do their dirty work in the dark.

I'm going to cast some sunlight. I wonder how long it will before the cockroaches restore Santorum's delegate, and scurry back into the shadows.
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« Reply #4 on: March 01, 2012, 09:56:49 PM »

Dude... the rules weren't changed.  They were just never finalized before.  The committee was simply voting on the final way the delegates would be divided up.

Of course, the rules were changed. Changing the rules is changing the rules, even if they were subject to revision for whatever reason. Only in banana republics are the rules changed after an election has taken place. In republics, the rules are "finalized" before election day, not after.

The question boils down to this: if Santorum had won, would the current rules had been "finalized?" I think that would have been the case. Romney win 2-0; Santorum win 1-1. That's how banana republics decide elections.
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« Reply #5 on: March 02, 2012, 01:41:08 AM »

I suppose BSB and co. will either ignore this or just deny it's authenticity. 




Well,  here it is from the horse's mouth:

"It is unfortunate if I did not explain this more clearly. When the RNC indicated it would penalize our total delegates and award us only 30 delegates, the credentials committee met on Feb. 4 and interpreted the penalty by voting unanimously to send Michigan’s full delegation. Within congressional districts, designate two out of the three delegates as the RNC recognized delegates and two out of the 14 at-large as RNC recognized delegates.

"The at-large delegates are still awarded proportionally to candidates that achieve the 15 percent threshold, the two RNC recognized delegates are assigned to the candidate that wins the most votes. Michigan’s results, without the RNC penalty, 28-Romney/28-Santorum. If the RNC upholds its penalty, 16-Romney, 14-Santorum."


Using the same logic, it could have read:

"It is unfortunate if I did not explain this more clearly. When the RNC indicated it would penalize our total delegates and award us only 30 delegates, the credentials committee met on Feb. 4 and interpreted the penalty by voting unanimously to send Michigan’s full delegation. Within congressional districts, designate two out of the three delegates as the RNC recognized delegates and two out of the 14 at-large as RNC recognized delegates.

"The at-large delegates are still awarded proportionally to candidates that achieve the 15 percent threshold, the two RNC recognized delegates are assigned to the candidate that wins the most votes. Michigan’s results, without the RNC penalty, 28-Romney/28-Santorum. If the RNC upholds its penalty, 16-Romney, 14-Santorum. If the RNC reduces the penalty in half, 21-Romney, 14-Santorum."


In the rest of flyover country, if you asked, "If you have seven Santorum delegates, and seven Romney delegates, but, only two are to be 'recognized' at the convention, what it is the appropriate split?," I would hazard to guess that 99 out of 100 people would answer, "Recognize one Santorum delegate and one Romney delegate." At least this is one issue I can stand with the 99% against the 1%!
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« Reply #6 on: March 02, 2012, 01:58:20 AM »

Romney is personally calling rank-and-file Republicans on Election Days. I would advise the Santorum campaign to move on from Michigan...

I'm sure that, like cockroaches, Romney and his minions want to do their dirty work in the dark.

I'm going to cast some sunlight. I wonder how long it will before the cockroaches restore Santorum's delegate, and scurry back into the shadows.

I can assure you the Romney campaign is not getting phone lists of Michigan Democrats from unions. And the Romney campaign is most certainly not robocalling Democrats. All Romney has done is pursue rank-and-file Republicans, and he's won 7 of 12 contests thus far. It has been a long road, and there is a lot of distance left to cover, but even Rambo struggled from time to time.

Romney is not going to owe anything to any unions, or anybody for that matter. Who knows what Santorum owes, and to whom, in Washington, DC. We don't even know who was funneling those hundreds of thousands of dollars into Santorum's Super PAC back in December when he was polling in single digits in Iowa...

Pray tell, Politico, who are those unnamed donors pouring millions of dollars into Romney's superpac? Do you seriously believe Romney can send former staffers with a wink and a nod to raise tens of million of dollars on Romney's behalf and not be indebted to those donors? We are looking at a man whom is going to be a 9-figure whore--trying to win the rights to run against a man aiming to be history's first 10-figure whore--and you are trying to posture as if he has maintained his virginity!

Is this an auction or an election?

Apologies to any sex-workers whom may be reading this.
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« Reply #7 on: March 02, 2012, 02:19:32 AM »

If the rank and file don't like the elites taking all of the power for themselves, maybe they shouldn't be Republicans?

That's being debated.
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« Reply #8 on: March 02, 2012, 02:27:51 AM »
« Edited: March 02, 2012, 02:36:42 AM by BigSkyBob »

Romney is personally calling rank-and-file Republicans on Election Days. I would advise the Santorum campaign to move on from Michigan...

I'm sure that, like cockroaches, Romney and his minions want to do their dirty work in the dark.

I'm going to cast some sunlight. I wonder how long it will before the cockroaches restore Santorum's delegate, and scurry back into the shadows.

I can assure you the Romney campaign is not getting phone lists of Michigan Democrats from unions. And the Romney campaign is most certainly not robocalling Democrats. All Romney has done is pursue rank-and-file Republicans, and he's won 7 of 12 contests thus far. It has been a long road, and there is a lot of distance left to cover, but even Rambo struggled from time to time.

Romney is not going to owe anything to any unions, or anybody for that matter. Who knows what Santorum owes, and to whom, in Washington, DC. We don't even know who was funneling those hundreds of thousands of dollars into Santorum's Super PAC back in December when he was polling in single digits in Iowa...

Pray tell, Politico, who are those unnamed donors pouring millions of dollars into Romney's superpac? Do you seriously believe Romney can send former staffers with a wink and a nod to raise tens of million of dollars on Romney's behalf and not be indebted to those donors? We are looking at a man whom is going to be a 9-figure whore--trying to win the rights to run against a man aiming to be history's first 10-figure whore--and you are trying to posture as if he has maintained his virginity!

Is this an auction or an election?

Apologies to any sex-workers whom may be reading this.

Newt had an interesting comment on Romney's fundraising:

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If Romney somehow wins the nomination and the general, do you really think he is in a position to say "No!" to a bailout for the people whom bought him the Presidency?
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BigSkyBob
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« Reply #9 on: March 02, 2012, 02:42:27 AM »

The Republican Party is in need of some serious internal reforms and does not deserve to win an election until they get their act together.

The problem with that is the Democrats, also, don't deserve to win any elections.
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