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« on: March 01, 2012, 11:06:03 pm »
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http://www.kansascity.com/2012/02/29/3459837/missouri-teacher-planning-same.html

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« Reply #1 on: March 02, 2012, 01:50:43 am »

I'd say the school went as far as it could to give him the benefit of the doubt about the extent of his relationship.  (After all, two males who live together need not be in a sexual relationship.)  But marriage crosses a bright line in Catholic doctrine and he was teaching in a Catholic school.  It's not surprising in the least that he was fired.
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« Reply #2 on: March 02, 2012, 02:48:37 am »
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Religions should be allowed to practice their beliefs and if that means letting someone go who does not hold to Catholic doctrine, then that's the beauty of our country and what I love about America. I feel bad for the teacher and don't find anything wrong with homosexuals who want to be together, but that's a different story. It's times like this that make me proud to be an American.
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« Reply #3 on: March 02, 2012, 05:04:53 am »
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Religions should be allowed to practice their beliefs and if that means letting someone go who does not hold to Catholic doctrine, then that's the beauty of our country and what I love about America. I feel bad for the teacher and don't find anything wrong with homosexuals who want to be together, but that's a different story. It's times like this that make me proud to be an American.

Wait. A Catholic school firing an employee for being gay makes you proud to be an American?
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« Reply #4 on: March 02, 2012, 05:24:05 am »
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This is neither surprising nor disgusting. Same-sex marriages go against Roman Catholic doctrine so the school's decision to fire an employee who wants to have a same-sex marriage appears consistent and logical to me. Of course, it would be a very different case if this had been a secular school, but under this specific circumstance it is justified. It would make no sense if a Catholic school ignored the doctrine of the Roman Catholic church.
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« Reply #5 on: March 02, 2012, 05:56:53 am »
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I understand the church following its own teachings, but I don't see what this has to do with employment.

The church is welcome to condemn same sex marriage, but I don't think a fair argument can be made that this teacher was any less qualified to teach his subject because he happens to go against church teaching.

Catholic schools are there to teach students about their religion in a way that public schools in the US can't, but that doesn't mean they should be allowed to discriminate in employment. This goes beyond how far I think religious freedom extends.
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« Reply #6 on: March 02, 2012, 06:01:29 am »
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are you sure your not a member of the KKK (in around an hour you proved yourself to be an anti Semite and anti Catholic next comes your attacking blacks?)
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« Reply #7 on: March 02, 2012, 06:13:22 am »
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I understand the church following its own teachings, but I don't see what this has to do with employment.

The church is welcome to condemn same sex marriage, but I don't think a fair argument can be made that this teacher was any less qualified to teach his subject because he happens to go against church teaching.

Catholic schools are there to teach students about their religion in a way that public schools in the US can't, but that doesn't mean they should be allowed to discriminate in employment. This goes beyond how far I think religious freedom extends.

I agree with this. The idea that absolutely everyone working at a catholic school must live a life completely in accordance with catholic teachings is moronic. Would you fire teachers if they didn't want to sign a pledge guaranteeing that the only contraception they use is abstention?
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« Reply #8 on: March 02, 2012, 06:17:55 am »
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so let me get this straight for all you anti Catholics
it's moral for NY state to fire Town Clerks for following the religion and refusing to "marry" 2 people of the same sex despite the fact there supposedly is freedom of religion in this country.

but it' immoral for a religious school to fire someone for doing something that is sacrilegious in that religion.

I'll bet you'll all feel differently if it was a Muslim school.

In short religious schools need to legally be allowed to hire and fire teachers (even secular ones) based on their religious tenants or else there is no freedom of religion in this country.

if theoretically this went to court and the music teacher won the case the US might have even surpassed Czarist Russia in lack of freedom of religion.  Thank God the supreme court recently decided that religious schools have the legal right to fire whoever they want before this story broke.
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« Reply #9 on: March 02, 2012, 07:40:04 am »
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Ah yes, Christians are being persecuted in America. I almost forgot.
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« Reply #10 on: March 02, 2012, 09:11:56 am »
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Both legal and proper, of course. Quite settled law.
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« Reply #11 on: March 02, 2012, 09:28:18 am »
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Both legal and proper, of course. Quite settled law.

Whether something is legal and "settled" isn't relevant. It's about whether it's a good thing to do. And if it should be legal.
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« Reply #12 on: March 02, 2012, 09:41:02 am »
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They need to worry more about their priests being pedophiles than OMGZ THE GAYZ11!!

Not surprising but really ridiculous.
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« Reply #13 on: March 02, 2012, 10:15:52 am »
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This is exactly why I left the Catholic Church.
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« Reply #14 on: March 02, 2012, 10:35:52 am »
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Less religion = less problems and more effective use of the time we have solving the real problems in this world.

The opportunity cost of religion is staggering.

Shameful and disgusting
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« Reply #15 on: March 02, 2012, 11:57:44 am »
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Both legal and proper, of course. Quite settled law.

Whether something is legal and "settled" isn't relevant. It's about whether it's a good thing to do. And if it should be legal.

I disagree here. I think the fact that the school's decision to fire this teacher based on the reasons they have given is legal (according to the Supreme Court ruling of January that is mentioned in the article) is very relevant. While it can still be discussed whether such firings are "a good thing" or whether they "should be legal" or not, the obvious legality of this firing should make people who are always ready to shout "scandal!" or "this is another instance of religious extremism!" a bit more careful.
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« Reply #16 on: March 02, 2012, 03:04:42 pm »
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But molesting children merely gets one reassigned. Go figure out organized religion. Gays need the same protection from the tyranny of nutters that blacks enjoy.
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« Reply #17 on: March 02, 2012, 03:09:48 pm »

Religions should be allowed to practice their beliefs and if that means letting someone go who does not hold to Catholic doctrine, then that's the beauty of our country and what I love about America. I feel bad for the teacher and don't find anything wrong with homosexuals who want to be together, but that's a different story. It's times like this that make me proud to be an American.

Wait. A Catholic school firing an employee for being gay makes you proud to be an American?

Did you bother to even read the link provided in the original post?

He was not fired for being gay.  The school had already known about that.

He was not fired for being in an open relationship with another man.  That was also already known by the school.

He was fired because he planned to enter into a marriage and at that point engaged in behavior that was unequivocally against Catholic doctrine.

I think it is reasonable that an organization that holds certain philosophical positions requires that its employees follow those positions.
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« Reply #18 on: March 02, 2012, 03:24:56 pm »
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Religions should be allowed to practice their beliefs and if that means letting someone go who does not hold to Catholic doctrine, then that's the beauty of our country and what I love about America. I feel bad for the teacher and don't find anything wrong with homosexuals who want to be together, but that's a different story. It's times like this that make me proud to be an American.

Wait. A Catholic school firing an employee for being gay makes you proud to be an American?

Did you bother to even read the link provided in the original post?

He was not fired for being gay.  The school had already known about that.

He was not fired for being in an open relationship with another man.  That was also already known by the school.

He was fired because he planned to enter into a marriage and at that point engaged in behavior that was unequivocally against Catholic doctrine.

I think it is reasonable that an organization that holds certain philosophical positions requires that its employees follow those position
So, you'd support the church in firing a woman for using birth control? Or a Jehovah's Witness school firing somebody who received a life-saving blood transfusion?
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« Reply #19 on: March 02, 2012, 03:31:49 pm »
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I'll bet you'll all feel differently if it was a Muslim school.

I bet you would.
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« Reply #20 on: March 02, 2012, 03:37:24 pm »
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Wouldn't the key word here be "Catholic"?
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« Reply #21 on: March 02, 2012, 03:39:14 pm »
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Why shouldn't the school have done just that?

Fake Christian.
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« Reply #22 on: March 02, 2012, 03:40:21 pm »
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Your position seems contrary to what I would consider proper Christian values.
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« Reply #23 on: March 02, 2012, 03:46:06 pm »
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Your position seems contrary to what I would consider proper Christian values.

Why? An institution that opposes same-sex marriage fires an individual who is taking part in one. Perhaps the firing was improper (although I do not believe that), but it was most definitely not contrary to Christian values.
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« Reply #24 on: March 02, 2012, 03:46:44 pm »
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