Welcome, Guest. Please login or register.
Did you miss your activation email?
February 08, 2016, 01:45:01 pm
HomePredMockPollEVCalcAFEWIKIHelpLogin Register
News: Please delete your old personal messages.

+  Atlas Forum
|-+  General Politics
| |-+  Individual Politics (Moderators: Grad Students are the Worst, Torie, AndrewTXmas)
| | |-+  Who do you favor in the Israel-Palestine conflict?
« previous next »
Pages: 1 [2] 3 4 Print
Poll
Question: ....
Israelis   -11 (17.2%)
Palestinians   -26 (40.6%)
Neutral   -25 (39.1%)
Undecided   -2 (3.1%)
Show Pie Chart
Total Voters: 63

Author Topic: Who do you favor in the Israel-Palestine conflict?  (Read 4693 times)
Draft Uncle Pat for President, 2016!
ChairmanSanchez
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 20678
United States



View Profile
« Reply #25 on: March 02, 2012, 07:47:44 pm »
Ignore

Undecided, lean Palestine.
The Israeli's. I'm usually against reverse discrimination but in the case of the Jews its justified in order to stop another holocaust or anti-Semitic reign of terror. Its not like non-Jews don't have the other 99% of Arabia to share with their Islamic brothers.
Thats propaganda. If anyone has committed any atrocities (recently speaking), its Israel. The Palestinians are in no condition to commit such crimes, as they lack the population and wealth.


Israel has always been the side that has acted with the greatest civility, the greatest sense. They have tried everything go get peace. They are a secular, free, democratic republic with high levels of prosperity. They deserve the support of the first world.
Yes, they are a rich democracy. Lets support them and look the other way on the USS Liberty Incident, the Gaza flotilla, and the fact that it is illegal for Christians to do any proselytizing. Yes, Israel land of the free!
Sanchez, it's nice seeing another sensible conservative on this forum. However you neglected to mention them being caught spying on the us multiple times, their vicious ad campaign against american jews or their recent insult of our President for DARING to ask the same thing every other President has. The US "special relationship" with Israel is an abusive one. They need to be kicked to the curb before they waste more of the taxpayer's money and drag us into yet another bogus war.
If my Congressman had his way (Allen West BTW), you would be jailed for challenging Israel :p
Logged

A Hybrid of Pat Buchanan and Bob Dylan.

Yes, yes, I went from supporting Rand Paul to John Kasich to briefly flirting with Trump to settling on Cruz. Laugh at my fickleness all you want.
morgieb
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 6489
Australia


View Profile
« Reply #26 on: March 02, 2012, 08:19:31 pm »
Ignore

Neither, they're both as bad as each other. Make a two-state solution and make it more policed than it currently is. The current war has gone on 60 years too long.

I have a little more sympathy for the Palestinians though.
Logged

R2D2
20RP12
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 24905
Germany


Political Matrix
E: -7.74, S: -7.83

View Profile
« Reply #27 on: March 02, 2012, 09:37:18 pm »
Ignore

I may be a little fuzzy on my history, but IIRC, land was promised to both Israel and Palestine by Britain after WWI (I think it was WWI) but the only reason Israel got the land was because Europe sympathized the Jews after WWII. Therefore, it is my belief that there should be a two-state solution though peaceful means.
Logged

Vermin Supreme
Henry Clay
Sr. Member
****
Posts: 470


View Profile
« Reply #28 on: March 02, 2012, 10:33:51 pm »
Ignore

Palestine (normal).
Logged

True Federalist
Ernest
Moderators
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 31173
United States


View Profile WWW
« Reply #29 on: March 02, 2012, 11:02:18 pm »
Ignore

I may be a little fuzzy on my history, but IIRC, land was promised to both Israel and Palestine by Britain after WWI (I think it was WWI) but the only reason Israel got the land was because Europe sympathized the Jews after WWII. Therefore, it is my belief that there should be a two-state solution though peaceful means.

You are fuzzy.

Problem is, that in addition to the Arabs who want to extinguish the State of Israel, there are also Zionists who want to implement the original version of the two-state solution in which British Palestine was divided into an Arab Transjordan and a Jewish Cisjordan.

This is a side effect of the promises the Allies made to everyone while trying to win the Great War.  They made all sort of promises, a few of which they even kept.
Logged

Quote from: Ignatius of Antioch
He that possesses the word of Jesus, is truly able to bear his very silence. — Epistle to the Ephesians 3:21a
The one thing everyone can agree on is that the media is biased against them.
Leaving New Hampshire is always a good decision to make.
Marokai Backbeat
Marokai Blue
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 17504
United States


Political Matrix
E: -7.42, S: -7.39


View Profile
« Reply #30 on: March 02, 2012, 11:30:52 pm »
Ignore

Both sides have acted like asses in the conflict but if forced to choose a side I suppose I am moderately pro-Palestine.
Logged
dead0man
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 24326
United States


Political Matrix
E: 6.84, S: -4.52

View Profile
« Reply #31 on: March 03, 2012, 01:30:49 am »
Ignore

I may be a little fuzzy on my history, but IIRC, land was promised to both Israel and Palestine by Britain after WWI (I think it was WWI) but the only reason Israel got the land was because Europe sympathized the Jews after WWII. Therefore, it is my belief that there should be a two-state solution though peaceful means.
uhhh, Arabs got land too.  Then they (Palestinians and their Arab "friends") promptly tried to remove their new neighbors.  And lost.  Waited a few years and tried again.  And lost again.  Wash, rinse, repeat.
Logged

accept no imitations

(unless you're dense like these guys)
Quote from: Obama
Anyone claiming that America’s economy is in decline is peddling fiction.
White Light
BRTD
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 75775
France


View Profile
« Reply #32 on: March 03, 2012, 01:54:05 am »
Ignore

Neither, both sides are douches.

Pretty much yes. But I voted Palestinians just because Zionism is easily one of the most f**king stupid ideologies that has ever existed in the history of mankind (OMG OUR ANCESTORS LIVED HERE THOUSANDS OF YEARS AGO, THIS IS OUR LAND!!!!!!!111!!!!!
Logged


Quote from: someone on AAD
Option 3: he flipped his vote when he realized that the female preacher with the full sleeve tattoos who he fantasizes about domming him was a Sanders supporter Tongue  Hey, whatever gets him closer to those feet I guess.
Kalwejt
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 40017


View Profile
« Reply #33 on: March 03, 2012, 03:51:25 am »
Ignore

If my Congressman had his way (Allen West BTW), you would be jailed for challenging Israel :p

Try to spent at least one day without making a reference to Allen West, please.
Logged
Хahar
Xahar
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 39171
Bangladesh


Political Matrix
E: -5.35, S: 0.43


View Profile
« Reply #34 on: March 03, 2012, 03:52:04 am »
Ignore

It's not a meaningful question, but of course my sympathies lie with the victims and my coreligionists.
Logged

Update reading list

The idea of parodying the preceding Atlasian's postings is laughable, of course, but not for reasons one might expect.
ingemann
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 2467


View Profile
« Reply #35 on: March 03, 2012, 05:47:46 am »
Ignore

One of the arguments for the German Lebensraum policy, was that Germanic tribes had lived in much of eastern Europe before the Slavish expansion as such the land belonged to the German nation. That turned out badly for everybody. As such I don't like the argument that ones ancestors has lived in a area centuries or milleniums ago gives you a right to ethnic cleanse the local population and take their land.
As for pure practical corcern I support a two state solution, which need to leave Palestinia a viable state (as much as a state split in two exclaves can be viable). As such I'm open to that the borders do not follow the 1967 border.
 
Logged
Swedish Austerity Cheese
JOHN91043353
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 4097
Sweden


View Profile
« Reply #36 on: March 03, 2012, 07:57:12 am »
Ignore

I support a three state solution for the record - Egypt should annex the Gaza Strip and Jordan should get the West Bank. Oh, and Golan should be returned to the Syrians.

Ah intresting, I thought I was the only one who favoured that solution.
Logged

Quote from: Badger
Quote from: Swedish Cheese
London of course. Smiley

Shocked

4 realz SWEDISH Cheese? Huh

He's not from Sweden, he's from Scania.
 

Old Europe
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 6353


View Profile
« Reply #37 on: March 03, 2012, 08:01:20 am »
Ignore

When I'm in a mean attitude I tend to support the forced relocation of both the Israeli and the Palestinian populations to different continents. Because it would be the fair and just thing to do.

When I'm not I simply don't care anymore.
« Last Edit: March 03, 2012, 08:04:07 am by General Buck Turgidson »Logged



k-onmmunist
Winston Disraeli
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 11966
Palestinian Territory, Occupied


View Profile
« Reply #38 on: March 03, 2012, 08:03:10 am »
Ignore

I support a three state solution for the record - Egypt should annex the Gaza Strip and Jordan should get the West Bank. Oh, and Golan should be returned to the Syrians.

Ah intresting, I thought I was the only one who favoured that solution.

And I thought I was the only one who did! Hooray! Tongue

Logged
dead0man
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 24326
United States


Political Matrix
E: 6.84, S: -4.52

View Profile
« Reply #39 on: March 03, 2012, 08:39:49 am »
Ignore

I've mentioned a three state solution at least a half dozen times (if not a full dozen) around here.  Occasionally it gets poopoo'd, mostly it's ignored.
Logged

accept no imitations

(unless you're dense like these guys)
Quote from: Obama
Anyone claiming that America’s economy is in decline is peddling fiction.
k-onmmunist
Winston Disraeli
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 11966
Palestinian Territory, Occupied


View Profile
« Reply #40 on: March 03, 2012, 08:40:56 am »
Ignore

I've mentioned a three state solution at least a half dozen times (if not a full dozen) around here.  Occasionally it gets poopoo'd, mostly it's ignored.

Hmm. I think it'd be the best way of ensuring a good standard of living for the Palestinian people, plus it would place two powers that have peace treaties with Israel in control of those areas.
Logged
dead0man
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 24326
United States


Political Matrix
E: 6.84, S: -4.52

View Profile
« Reply #41 on: March 03, 2012, 08:50:34 am »
Ignore

I was looking for past comments of mine on the subject (of course they are all in 30 page threads..le sigh...and just three of them) and found this gem....
Xahar, are you also tried of China's disregard for international law in Tibet?

Yes. Yes, I am.

Glad to hear it.

Do you believe that rocket attacks on Israeli towns are justified?

If they are beyond the Green Line, yes.
eeeegads man
Logged

accept no imitations

(unless you're dense like these guys)
Quote from: Obama
Anyone claiming that America’s economy is in decline is peddling fiction.
Senator PiT
PiT (The Physicist)
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 23871
United States


View Profile
« Reply #42 on: March 03, 2012, 09:26:31 am »
Ignore

     I support peace. I know that that would be very difficult to achieve, but the words and actions of both sides would make actually supporting either of them something beyond the pale.
Logged

Sibboleth
Realpolitik
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 59687
United Kingdom


View Profile WWW
« Reply #43 on: March 03, 2012, 10:00:10 am »
Ignore

What I favour, above all else, is less utterly stupid discussions on the internet about the topic. It's an extremely complicated situation involving several extremely complicated societies and without any obvious solutions, not a bloody football game.
Logged



"It is the essence of a true democracy that people should be respected individually, not simply collectively. It is also of the essence of a democracy that differences and distinctions are recognised and, where relevant, honoured. A democracy should be above all a thoughtful type of society, in these and other respects."

Richard Hoggart
True Federalist
Ernest
Moderators
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 31173
United States


View Profile WWW
« Reply #44 on: March 03, 2012, 10:42:59 am »
Ignore

I've mentioned a three state solution at least a half dozen times (if not a full dozen) around here.  Occasionally it gets poopoo'd, mostly it's ignored.

Hmm. I think it'd be the best way of ensuring a good standard of living for the Palestinian people, plus it would place two powers that have peace treaties with Israel in control of those areas.

Not in Israel's long term interests.  Israel needs to keep the Arabs divided.  If the Arabs ever reunite under a second Saladin, then the days of the State of Israel are numbered.
Logged

Quote from: Ignatius of Antioch
He that possesses the word of Jesus, is truly able to bear his very silence. — Epistle to the Ephesians 3:21a
The one thing everyone can agree on is that the media is biased against them.
Leaving New Hampshire is always a good decision to make.
Хahar
Xahar
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 39171
Bangladesh


Political Matrix
E: -5.35, S: 0.43


View Profile
« Reply #45 on: March 03, 2012, 11:35:09 am »
Ignore

Egypt certainly has no desire to take the Gaza Strip.
Logged

Update reading list

The idea of parodying the preceding Atlasian's postings is laughable, of course, but not for reasons one might expect.
hawkeye59
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 2733
United States


View Profile
« Reply #46 on: March 03, 2012, 04:44:21 pm »
Ignore

Egypt certainly has no desire to take the Gaza Strip.
And Jordan doesn't want the West Bank.
Logged

My friends, love is better than anger. Hope is better than fear. Optimism is better than despair.  So let us be loving, hopeful and optimistic. And we’ll change the world.- Jack Layton (1950-2011)
Kalwejt
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 40017


View Profile
« Reply #47 on: March 03, 2012, 04:55:36 pm »
Ignore

Egypt certainly has no desire to take the Gaza Strip.
And Jordan doesn't want the West Bank.

King Hussein renounced his claims to the West Bank in favor of the "future Palestinian state".

And Palestinians wants their own state. Not to be a part of Egypt or Jordan.
Logged
k-onmmunist
Winston Disraeli
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 11966
Palestinian Territory, Occupied


View Profile
« Reply #48 on: March 03, 2012, 05:51:09 pm »
Ignore

I'm just saying what would work best, not what people want. The Palestinian desire for a state really is a bit silly though considering Jordan is practically a Palestinian state as is, and any independent "Palestine" would be much poorer.
Logged
I'm JewCon in name only.
Klecly
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 920
United States


Political Matrix
E: 9.61, S: 6.52

View Profile
« Reply #49 on: March 03, 2012, 05:52:50 pm »
Ignore

Israel. Also, I agree with Windis' post above me.
Logged

Pages: 1 [2] 3 4 Print 
« previous next »
Jump to:  


Login with username, password and session length

Logout

Powered by SMF 1.1.21 | SMF © 2015, Simple Machines