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« Reply #175 on: March 30, 2012, 12:25:00 PM »

I just hope Brum will elect Salma Yaqoob and not George Galloway. 'cause who knows, maybe he'll be continuing his tour of Labour Britain and not stand for reelection in Bradford West?

It'll be Yaqoob in the Hodge Hill by-election. I assume.
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« Reply #176 on: March 30, 2012, 12:39:58 PM »

This is one of those by-elections which will go down in history. Nobody remembers Monmouth 1991, everyone remembers Crosby 1981. This will be one to go in the history books

The consequences will be very hard for all parties to fathom out. How Labour deals with the loss of a seat like this, under these circumstances, to George Galloway, will perhaps be the most important.
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« Reply #177 on: March 30, 2012, 12:54:38 PM »

This is one of those by-elections which will go down in history. Nobody remembers Monmouth 1991, everyone remembers Crosby 1981. This will be one to go in the history books

The consequences will be very hard for all parties to fathom out. How Labour deals with the loss of a seat like this, under these circumstances, to George Galloway, will perhaps be the most important.

Up there with Bermondsey, yeah.
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« Reply #178 on: March 30, 2012, 01:00:42 PM »

I think only total anoraks remember Crosby.
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« Reply #179 on: March 30, 2012, 01:07:49 PM »

With regards to a possible by-election in Hodge Hill, Byrne is not exactly guaranteed the Labour nomination and if there are concerns about a possible repeat of this that would count against him (to put it mildly). He's not very popular with Party members in general, though it might be different in Brum itself.

Yaqoob, though, has supposedly retired from politics on health grounds.
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« Reply #180 on: March 30, 2012, 04:39:29 PM »

I think only total anoraks remember Crosby.

I thought mentioning Bermondsey might be a bit obvious of me, but fair point.
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« Reply #181 on: March 30, 2012, 04:50:47 PM »

There is now an article by Galloway on the Guardian website which includes the words "winning across every ward in the constituency".  So did he really carry Thornton & Allerton, and if so what was going on there?

There is another article on the site which claims that "Galloway's result represented the first byelection win by an independent since 1973".  Even if you accept that Galloway is an independent, what about Blaenau Gwent 2006 and North Down 1995?  (UKUP were surely more of a one-man band than Respect, and Davies was Independent on the ballot paper.)
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« Reply #182 on: March 30, 2012, 04:53:00 PM »

Media are of course going to portray this as some Labour strong hold - we've never got more than 55% there. There are far safer Labour seats.
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« Reply #183 on: March 30, 2012, 07:44:42 PM »

The media obsesses, but the public doesn't care. The public has more important things to worry about at the moment: pasties and petrol.

Brent East, this is not. It's not going to shift the polls or any votes outside of Bradford West.

The few non-politicos who'll notice will just notice that it's George Galloway, the cat guy from Big Brother, and he's crazy.
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« Reply #184 on: March 30, 2012, 08:11:19 PM »

Well even Brent East didn't change much outside of Brent. Boosted LibDem poll ratings for a month or two and that was about that.
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« Reply #185 on: March 30, 2012, 08:14:52 PM »

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YkWzf_yqAAU
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« Reply #186 on: March 31, 2012, 12:27:24 AM »


LOL, only the party that gets 8.4% of the vote can stop the party that got 25.0% of the vote from winning. Please never mind that party that got 55.9%.
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« Reply #187 on: March 31, 2012, 07:09:56 AM »

George Galloway tweet, reported from another place:

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« Reply #188 on: March 31, 2012, 09:31:20 AM »

According to Sky News, Galloway has blamed that on a hacker.
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« Reply #189 on: March 31, 2012, 09:51:57 AM »

According to Sky News, Galloway has blamed that on a hacker.

"Nice try. Password now changed."
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« Reply #190 on: March 31, 2012, 11:25:34 AM »

According to Sky News, Galloway has blamed that on a hacker.

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« Reply #191 on: March 31, 2012, 04:04:17 PM »

Say what you will about Galloway, but he knows how to run a campaign.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ggGrplL_Hk
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« Reply #192 on: March 31, 2012, 04:08:47 PM »

Anyways, hadn't Hussain been considered a very strong candidate early on in this thread? Hmmm...
Bump, because I really want to hear some take on this. Because "oh dear, George Galloway. You know what I think of George Galloway" and "Postal Votes OMG lulz" are not appropriate responses.
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« Reply #193 on: March 31, 2012, 04:44:04 PM »

Anyways, hadn't Hussain been considered a very strong candidate early on in this thread? Hmmm...
Bump, because I really want to hear some take on this. Because "oh dear, George Galloway. You know what I think of George Galloway" and "Postal Votes OMG lulz" are not appropriate responses.

I think it's impossible to know what really happened unless you're from Bradford, which I'm not.  But I can make some observations.

There certainly were comments from some quarters that Hussain was a strong candidate, but parties always claim things like that.  I'm not sure that I saw anyone I'd consider neutral saying it.

I think his status on the Council may have harmed him.  Bradford has fairly major problems at the moment -- in particular there's an infamous "hole" in the city centre where buildings have been demolished to make way for a never-built shopping centre -- and some of the stuff about this by-election, and some of what I've seen on the local news, suggests that some of the dissatisfaction which led to this result was connected to that.  If this is right, then the local elections could be very ...um... interesting.

Then there's the whole biraderi thing.  Some reports suggest that there was a bit of a rebellion in the Asian community against it, and Hussain suffered from that.  (This may be related to the above.)
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« Reply #194 on: March 31, 2012, 06:02:29 PM »

He seemed like a strong candidate on paper, at least according to the usual theories of what sort of candidates play well in places like this. He also gained his seat on the council on a large swing back in 2006. It's fairly clear that he wasn't actually a good candidate in practice; I noticed about halfway through the campaign that he didn't actually have a website, which is not a good sign these days (but didn't really think anything of it, obviously). It's also fairly clear - and I think we can say this - that there was a degree of personal abuse (much of it connected to a claim that he isn't a proper Muslim and drinks alcohol, etc) directed at him during the campaign.

Other things... there have been all kinds of rumours about key people locally switching their support in the last few days. I don't know how true this is. I do know that there were a lot of old men with beards in some of the Galloway victory photos. It's possible that Hussain may have done something to piss them off, but that's just baseless conjecture.

One problem we do have is that the only national journalist following the campaign when it was actually happening is an unethical piece of sh!t who's copy must be automatically viewed as suspect.
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« Reply #195 on: April 01, 2012, 03:23:38 AM »

Interesting article on LabourList by a Bradford Labour activist:
http://labourlist.org/2012/04/bradford-west-a-view-from-the-ground/
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« Reply #196 on: April 01, 2012, 03:46:52 AM »

Great article. Thanks for sharing.
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« Reply #197 on: April 01, 2012, 03:59:05 AM »
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I think his status on the Council may have harmed him.  
Yes, that's an impression I got from stuff like this.

Though have a look here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=okKxC4ZNIqw&feature=related
Not only is he just plain bloody right on Afghanistan, and the voters of Bradford West agree with me, have a look at poor Imran Hussein's fumbling to find an answer that doesn't offend anyone, and fail oh so painfully miserably. In the end, it came down to a choice between a pro and an incompetent amateur.
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« Reply #198 on: April 01, 2012, 06:27:25 AM »

In retrospect it would have been better to have stitched the shortlist in favour of Afzal Khan (who is, whatever else can be said of him, certainly a pro), but then there might have been other issues had that happened.

One thing I do wonder is how long Galloway had been planning to run here. Marsha Singh has been seriously ill for some time and there had been rumours of a pending by-election here for at least six months.
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« Reply #199 on: April 01, 2012, 06:31:55 AM »

If he laid the groundwork for this campaign early - and it doesn't sound impossible - then Bradford Labour must be incredible incompetents to not have noticed.
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