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« on: March 04, 2012, 09:25:13 pm »
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Romney awarded at-large delegates while Santorum whines..........

But the truth is..........

Last night the Credentials Committee met via teleconference and voted to apply the rules as passed unanimously on February 4th which results in the 2 at large delegates be awarded to the statewide winner, Mitt Romney. There were no changes in rules or procedures, the Credential Committee only ratified the existing rules as previously passed after some made erroneous claims to the media that the at-large delegates would be split.
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« Reply #1 on: March 04, 2012, 09:30:46 pm »
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OK- Romney almost tied Rick Santorum in a state Romney was supposed to win decicively.
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« Reply #2 on: March 04, 2012, 09:33:51 pm »
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Romney awarded at-large delegates while Santorum whines..........

But the truth is..........

Last night the Credentials Committee met via teleconference and voted to apply the rules as passed unanimously on February 4th which results in the 2 at large delegates be awarded to the statewide winner, Mitt Romney. There were no changes in rules or procedures, the Credential Committee only ratified the existing rules as previously passed after some made erroneous claims to the media that the at-large delegates would be split.


Should have made it loud and clear openly BEFORE Smiley the event, not AFTER Roll Eyes
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« Reply #3 on: March 04, 2012, 09:42:40 pm »
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OK- Romney almost tied Rick Santorum in a state he was supposed to win decicively.

Well,  considering that one to two weeks before the primary Romney was trailing Santorum by a large margin, quite a comeback I would say.

The same thing appears to be happening in Ohio as we speak.
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« Reply #4 on: March 04, 2012, 09:44:23 pm »
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OK- Romney almost tied Rick Santorum in a state he was supposed to win decicively.

Well,  considering that one to two weeks before the primary Romney was trailing Santorum by a large margin, quite a comeback I would say.

The same thing appears to be happening in Ohio as we speak.

Romney won it last time, it is Romney's childhood home, his fathr was elected governor there, and yet Romney barely won.
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« Reply #5 on: March 04, 2012, 09:53:42 pm »
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OK- Romney almost tied Rick Santorum in a state he was supposed to win decicively.

Well,  considering that one to two weeks before the primary Romney was trailing Santorum by a large margin, quite a comeback I would say.

The same thing appears to be happening in Ohio as we speak.

Romney won it last time, it is Romney's childhood home, his fathr was elected governor there, and yet Romney barely won.

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« Reply #6 on: March 04, 2012, 10:19:10 pm »
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In his home state as well. That's sad.

Good thing they screwed Rick out of 2 delegates - it would have been embarrassing to explain why Santorum was bringing home 16 delegates. Smiley
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« Reply #7 on: March 05, 2012, 01:38:40 am »
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This is kind of like in the 2000 Florida election, when they suddenly decided to count postmarkless absentee ballots (some of which were mailed after election day, and of course they favored Bush) when they had never counted them before. The Republican establishment has no problem changing the rules of an election after the fact.
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« Reply #8 on: March 05, 2012, 11:10:08 am »
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This is kind of like in the 2000 Florida election, when they suddenly decided to count postmarkless absentee ballots (some of which were mailed after election day, and of course they favored Bush) when they had never counted them before. The Republican establishment has no problem changing the rules of an election after the fact.

Which is why Gore called for Recounts in counties which favored him?

If Gore had called for a statewide recount, he still would have lost, but it's better then cheating.

Sore - Loserman signs still have meaning!
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« Reply #9 on: March 05, 2012, 11:17:43 am »
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This is kind of like in the 2000 Florida election, when they suddenly decided to count postmarkless absentee ballots (some of which were mailed after election day, and of course they favored Bush) when they had never counted them before. The Republican establishment has no problem changing the rules of an election after the fact.

Which is why Gore called for Recounts in counties which favored him?

If Gore had called for a statewide recount, he still would have lost, but it's better then cheating.

Sore - Loserman signs still have meaning!
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« Reply #10 on: March 05, 2012, 11:21:44 am »
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If Gore had called for a statewide recount, he still would have lost, but it's better then cheating.

Probably, but if all eligible voters had been able to vote and have their votes counted as intended, then Gore very likely would have won.

(Not that there even needs to be massive fraud for that to be true when the margin is only 500 votes...)
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« Reply #11 on: March 05, 2012, 11:32:36 am »
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Romney awarded at-large delegates while Santorum whines..........

But the truth is..........

Last night the Credentials Committee met via teleconference and voted to apply the rules as passed unanimously on February 4th which results in the 2 at large delegates be awarded to the statewide winner, Mitt Romney. There were no changes in rules or procedures, the Credential Committee only ratified the existing rules as previously passed after some made erroneous claims to the media that the at-large delegates would be split.


George Orwell would have been proud of this statement. It combines the best of double speak, double think and historical revision all in one. The rules clearly stated that the recognized statewide delegates would be based on the number full-slate statewide delegates won that was "winner take all*" the asterisk being that if the top two candidates having the same number of full-slate delegates the split would be 1-1.

Thus

7-7 = 1-1
8-6 = 2-0
9-5 = 2-0
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14-0 = 2-0



6-6-2 = 1-1
6-5-3 = 2-0


5-5-4 = 1-1
5-3-3-3 = 2-0


4-4-4-2 =  ?

Well, they didn't think about that one!

If the rules were "winner take all," there would not have been an asterisk. History is being revised. Even two members of the MRNC acknowledged that fact, one being the Romney-supporting former Attorney General of the state. It is sickening and pathetic that folks here are making excuses for the act of a banana republic.
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« Reply #12 on: March 05, 2012, 11:35:04 am »
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If Gore had called for a statewide recount, he still would have lost, but it's better then cheating.

Probably, but if all eligible voters had been able to vote and have their votes counted as intended, then Gore very likely would have won.

(Not that there even needs to be massive fraud for that to be true when the margin is only 500 votes...)

It may very well have been the case that more Gore voters fouled their ballots than Bush supporters. They have noone to blame but themselves.
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« Reply #13 on: March 05, 2012, 11:38:56 am »
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This is kind of like in the 2000 Florida election, when they suddenly decided to count postmarkless absentee ballots (some of which were mailed after election day, and of course they favored Bush) when they had never counted them before. The Republican establishment has no problem changing the rules of an election after the fact.

Which is why Gore called for Recounts in counties which favored him?

If Gore had called for a statewide recount, he still would have lost, but it's better then cheating.

Sore - Loserman signs still have meaning!

Wait, Gore didn't call for recounts in "counties which favored him," he called for recounts in counties that favored him, and, the recount process was controlled by Democrats. He did not call for recount in counties that favored him, but, Republicans would have controlled the recount process.
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« Reply #14 on: March 05, 2012, 11:42:18 am »
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If Gore had called for a statewide recount, he still would have lost, but it's better then cheating.

Probably, but if all eligible voters had been able to vote and have their votes counted as intended, then Gore very likely would have won.

(Not that there even needs to be massive fraud for that to be true when the margin is only 500 votes...)

It may very well have been the case that more Gore voters fouled their ballots than Bush supporters. They have noone to blame but themselves.

Not talking about spoiled ballots (although there's still an argument to be made that poorer counties (DEM counties) used voting equipment that leads to more spoiled ballots on average).

Although again, the spoiled ballots aren't the important issue in Florida in 2000.
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