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« on: March 09, 2012, 03:17:13 PM »

Less than a week before Iowa, they were about tied with Santorum before he broke out, winning Iowa and effectively knocking them out of the race (though Perry took a couple weeks to accept it).  Trump's debate would have attracted media attention and maybe had moments that went viral.  Seeing how vulnerable Newt and Santorum are to attacks on their record, either Bachmann or Perry should have been able to hurt them ahead of Iowa.  Trump offered them a free platform to do so.  They said no thanks.  Not that the nomination would have done anything for them.
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« Reply #1 on: March 09, 2012, 03:19:37 PM »

Bachmann and Perry were finished and Trump couldn't save anybody.
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« Reply #2 on: March 09, 2012, 03:21:05 PM »

The biggest mistake clearly was Pawlenty dropping out.
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« Reply #3 on: March 09, 2012, 03:23:10 PM »

The biggest mistake clearly was Pawlenty dropping out.

For the zillionth time: no, it wasn't.
The guy was going nowhere fast. He had no real constituency and he made Mittens look like a natural.
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« Reply #4 on: March 09, 2012, 03:27:00 PM »

The biggest mistake clearly was Pawlenty dropping out.

For the zillionth time: no, it wasn't.
The guy was going nowhere fast. He had no real constituency and he made Mittens look like a natural.

You don't need a constituency to become a flavor of the month.
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« Reply #5 on: March 09, 2012, 03:30:51 PM »

Less than a week before Iowa, they were about tied with Santorum before he broke out, winning Iowa and effectively knocking them out of the race (though Perry took a couple weeks to accept it).  Trump's debate would have attracted media attention and maybe had moments that went viral.  Seeing how vulnerable Newt and Santorum are to attacks on their record, either Bachmann or Perry should have been able to hurt them ahead of Iowa.  Trump offered them a free platform to do so.  They said no thanks.  Not that the nomination would have done anything for them.

Honestly, so far the biggest mistake (and it looked good when he did it) was Newt trying to get to 50% in GA.  It gave Romney 12-15 delegates and Newt could have possibly gotten more in TN or OK.

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« Reply #6 on: March 10, 2012, 10:02:00 AM »

The biggest mistake was Cain dropping out when he did. That has to be mistake of the year.
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« Reply #7 on: March 10, 2012, 10:19:39 AM »

Perry's middle name is Mistake.
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« Reply #8 on: March 10, 2012, 10:31:21 AM »


Agreed. And if I had to choose a "biggest mistake of the 2012 primary," his decision to run would be my pick, easily.
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« Reply #9 on: March 11, 2012, 12:02:55 AM »
« Edited: March 11, 2012, 12:35:51 AM by Politico »

The biggest mistake was easily Perry's "Oops" debate gaffe. And probably a handful of other Perry gaffes I cannot think of right away (let's re-invade Iraq? That odd speech he gave in New Hampshire where he seemed like a gay southerner on pain killers?). Without those, Perry may have ended up winning Iowa and carrying that momentum into South Carolina, leading to a well-financed showdown in Florida and beyond.

The biggest post-Perry mistake goes to Gingrich for doubling-down on the Moon Base.

Santorum's biggest mistake was probably doubling-down on anti-contraception.
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« Reply #10 on: March 11, 2012, 12:29:02 AM »

Romney's biggest mistake was not going scorched-earth on South Carolina.
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« Reply #11 on: March 11, 2012, 12:34:59 AM »
« Edited: March 11, 2012, 12:36:57 AM by Politico »

Romney's biggest mistake was not going scorched-earth on South Carolina.

Yeah, you're right. I don't even like thinking about South Carolina. I wanted the campaign to keep the boot on Gingrich's throat. This whole circus could have been finished in South Carolina. Then again, a lot of South Carolina came down to Newt Gingrich beating up on John King at the start of the last debate before they voted.
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« Reply #12 on: March 11, 2012, 01:12:26 PM »

The biggest mistake was easily Perry's "Oops" debate gaffe. And probably a handful of other Perry gaffes I cannot think of right away (let's re-invade Iraq? That odd speech he gave in New Hampshire where he seemed like a gay southerner on pain killers?). Without those, Perry may have ended up winning Iowa and carrying that momentum into South Carolina, leading to a well-financed showdown in Florida and beyond.

The biggest post-Perry mistake goes to Gingrich for doubling-down on the Moon Base.

Santorum's biggest mistake was probably doubling-down on anti-contraception.

Romney's biggest mistake was running away from his record. It would have been an ever worse mistake for him to run on his record.
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« Reply #13 on: March 11, 2012, 01:20:49 PM »

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Given that his problems are with Catholics, not protestants, that doesn't seem to be the case. You would think that if contraception were the issue, protestants wouldn't be supporting him (since they have no contraception requirement).

Santorum's issues are pretty much all money + organization. Missing out on VA was costly.
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« Reply #14 on: March 11, 2012, 01:22:33 PM »

how on Earth did you even think of this?
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« Reply #15 on: March 11, 2012, 01:28:00 PM »

Romneys: Failing to get an extra 40 votes in Iowa.

Santorum: Contraception

Paul: Not doubling down before Iowa.

Perry: Running for President in the first place.

Bachmann: I really cant think of one.

Cain: Dropping out when he did.

Gingrich: His bitterness after Iowa and the moon base. His early campaign troubles too.

Pawlenty: Dropping out. He was not going to win, but third in Ames could at least push him into November 2011.

McCotter: Not running for Senate....

Johnson: Running in the first place. Should of jumped in as a Libertarian from the start.
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« Reply #16 on: March 11, 2012, 02:48:57 PM »

how on Earth did you even think of this?

Was trying to figure out why 1 year after the Tea Party wave, someone with as many heresies as Romney is winning (besides $). A big part of it is the alternatives got whittled down to Santorum and Gingrich with pasts so full of their own vulnerabilities for Romney to destroy.  Then I wondered why their more conservative rivals failed to destroy Newt and Rick earlier.
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« Reply #17 on: March 11, 2012, 03:09:17 PM »
« Edited: March 11, 2012, 03:11:24 PM by modified limited hangout »

Romney - not having a laser focus on SC from the start.
Santorum - series of religion-based gaffes
Gingrich - moon base
Paul - not hiring a debate coach, managing expectations poorly, too soft on Romney for too long
Perry - running in the first place, drunken speech, not remembering the 3 departments
Huntsman - running a campaign about how stupid he thinks Republicans are
Bachmann - entered the race too early
Cain - dropped out too late
Pawlenty - running in the first place/entering too early
McCotter - running in the first place
Johnson - running in the first place while Paul ran (should've run for Senate)
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« Reply #18 on: March 11, 2012, 03:25:50 PM »

Biggest mistakes was Huckabee's decision to commute the sentence of Maurice Clemmons in 2000.  If he hadn't done that, it wouldn't have presented a problem for a potential 2012 bid, and he might have been able to run and actually get somewhere in the race.

Or maybe the biggest mistake was Daniels's decision to get back together with his wife, rather than divorce her and marry someone who wouldn't veto his decision to run for president years later.  Granted, that may not have been as wise from the perspective of his own personal happiness, but it would have been better in terms of any presidential aspirations he may have.

No, wait, I've got it.  The biggest mistake of the campaign was Obama's decision to nominate Huntsman to be ambassador to China.  If he hadn't done that, the fact that Huntsman had worked for Obama wouldn't have been used against him in the campaign, and Huntsman might have done slightly better.  Not nearly well enough to win the nomination, but perhaps well enough to drain more votes from Romney, even in Iowa, and allow Santorum to have a clean victory there which was called on election night, which might have caused subsequent developments in the race to play out so that we end up with a brokered convention.  Obviously, Obama would have preferred that to the present course (which will probably end with Romney winning well before the convention), and so I'm sure he regrets naming Huntsman ambassador to China.
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